Newsweek: A Wicked Curveball (Missing email on PTB rush to war)

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7369843/site/newsweek/

When a Senate panel released a report last year on the disastrously bad intelligence on Iraq, it included an intriguing e-mail that showed how intensely the administration was looking for damning evidence against Saddam. The e-mail, written by a senior CIA official, addressed a debate that the agency's analysts were having about Curveball, an erratic Iraqi emigre who claimed to have seen Saddam's supposed mobile biological-weapons labs. The CIA had evidence that Curveball was a shameless fabricator months before Secretary of State Colin Powell cited the Iraqi's reports before the United Nations. But in the Feb. 4, 2003, e-mail—written a day before Powell's U.N. appearance—the senior CIA official sharply rebuked one of those skeptical analysts. "Keep in mind the fact that this war's going to happen regardless of what Curve Ball said or didn't say and that the Powers That Be probably aren't terribly interested in whether Curve Ball knows what he's talking about," the CIA official wrote.

<snip>

Yet the new panel conspicuously omitted the "Powers That Be" e-mail that appeared in the Senate report. In fact, commission leaders seemed to not even know of its existence. "What e-mail are you talking about?" Judge Lawrence Silberman, the chairman, testily responded when asked by a NEWSWEEK reporter why it wasn't included in the report. "I'm mystified." Two hours later, after NEWSWEEK supplied the panel with a copy of the e-mail from the Senate report, a commission spokesman explained that the panel was aware of it but chose not to include it because its contents were already known. But its absence from the report raises questions of whether the Silberman panel may have "cherry-picked" evidence to exclude anything politically embarrassing to the "Powers That Be." Not so, says the White House. A senior official says the report lays to rest any notion that the administration lied or falsified intelligence. "People now understand that what we were saying publicly is what we were being told privately," the official said.

Commission members insist the intel analysts they interviewed "universally assert that in no instance did political pressure cause them to change" their judgments. But the panel report leaves open the critical question of why doubts about the quality of the intelligence were not taken more seriously.

[punpirate]

1. Might as well start calling this administration...

... the Tom Sawyer Bunch since they've gotten pretty damned good with passing out the whitewash....

[grytpype]

2. Jesus, what a smoking gun.

This commission was purely a whitewash for the White House. Put all the blame on the CIA. That is some bullshit.

[ginnyinWI]

34. problem is

Those of us who care knew this was true already (the rush to war), and the ones who didn't know it, don't care anyway, because Bush is their boy.

How much excrement has to pile up on this administration before the public says, "enough!" ?

[JaneQPublic]

49. CBSNews aired this in 2002: "Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml

CBS News has learned that barely five hours after American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld was telling his aides to come up with plans for striking Iraq — even though there was no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the attacks.

That's according to notes taken by aides who were with Rumsfeld in the National Military Command Center on Sept. 11 – notes that show exactly where the road toward war with Iraq began...

With the intelligence all pointing toward bin Laden, Rumsfeld ordered the military to begin working on strike plans. And at 2:40 p.m., the notes quote Rumsfeld as saying he wanted "best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H." – meaning Saddam Hussein – "at same time. Not only UBL" – the initials used to identify Osama bin Laden.

Now, nearly one year later, there is still very little evidence Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. But if these notes are accurate, that didn't matter to Rumsfeld.

"Go massive," the notes quote him as saying. "Sweep it all up. Things related and not."

[Old and In the Way]

3. That says it all.......

"a commission spokesman explained that the panel was aware of it but chose not to include it because its contents were already known. But its absence from the report raises questions of whether the Silberman panel may have "cherry-picked" evidence to exclude anything politically embarrassing to the "Powers That Be."

I am 52 years old.....I have never, ever seen this level of criminality in our government. This is war crimes stuff, folks. No wonder they have a BS commission providing them cover.

[leveymg]

17. "Cherry-picked" is a nice term for Conspiracy After The Fact.

Omissions justifying lies that rationalized aggressive war, torture, and mass murder.

That just about covers it.

[wryter2000]

30. Yup

I have four years on you and watched every minute of Watergate. Nothing has ever been as bad as this.

When will someone -- anyone -- on the inside who has a shred of integrity speak out?

[manly]

37. to "Yup"

"When will someone -- anyone -- on the inside who has a shred of integrity speak out?"
But there is no one in this administration who has even an iota of integrity. Surely you can see that by now.

[wryter2000]

42. None of the people in charge

But somewhere there must be one grunt who's sick of what's going on who can start the ball rolling.

You may say that I'm a dreamer...

[AuntiBush]

39. Really! It's past EXPLAINABLE!

I can't even think of words that describe this. Sick.

Hello... I hear an echo. Not good.

Hate to suggest this, but it's time we join forces with the Repuke citizens. Banged into more then several this weekend, and they're mad, and fed-up, too! Big time.

[wryter2000]

43. Join up with Republicans

I'd love to. I hope you're right that they're getting p*ssed. If that's true, we could turn this thing around.

[reprobate]

33. And I'm 64, and it's beyond me too. Even Nixon didn't readh this height.

[AuntiBush]

38. I'm with you!

Loosing words here. Speechless! Thanks for saying it like it is for me.

:crazy:

WTF is next!?!? Welcome to the United States of Confusion & American: The Country that Promotes Lawbreakers!

[jojo54]

4. I am floored, stupified and just plain confused

that the neocons can and are getting away with this shit. It truely amazes me that NO ONE in this administration has a conscience.

[LynnTheDem]

5. "we were saying publicly is what we were being told privately" Wanna BET??

I sure could use the money, so I'll bet this LYING "senior official" $1 billion US.

bush CLAIM: "I went to Congress with the same intelligence. Congress saw the same intelligence I had, and they looked at exactly what I looked at."

FACT – CONGRESS WAS OUTRAGED AT PRESENTATION BY THE WHITE HOUSE:

The New Republic reported, "Senators were outraged to find that intelligence info given to them omitted the qualifications and countervailing evidence that had characterized the classified version and played up the claims that strengthened the administration's case for war."

-Source: The New Republic, 6/30/03; Wilkes Barre Times Leader, 1/6/04; WP, 9/26/03

http://www.yuricareport.com/Corruption/BushMeetsThePressClaimVsFact.html

I defy ANYONE to find me ONE TIME the CIA said:

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more."

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly"

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction."

"We know where they are."

"Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

Because I happen to have the CIA's October 2002 NIE, and it DOES NOT SAY ANY OF THE ABOVE. In FACT, it says the OPPOSITE:

"We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs."

And EVERY SINGLE ISSUE the bush and his Cartel LIED about had EXPERT DISSENTING OPINIONS. EVERY ISSUE. IN that October 2002 NIE from the CIA.

LET'S COMPARE the PUBLIC versus the CLASSIFIED VERSION of that October 2002 NIE:

What BUSH said:

"Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs

What the classified version of the NIE said:

"We judge that Iraq has continued its weapons of mass destruction

What BUSH said:

"Iraq hides large portions of Iraq's WMD efforts."

What the classified version of the NIE said:

"We judge that we are seeing only a portion of Iraq's WMD efforts, owing to Baghdad's vigorous denial and deception efforts. ... We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs."

What BUSH said:

"Baghdad's UAVs - especially if used for delivery of chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents - could threaten Iraq's neighbors, US forces in the Persian Gulf, and the United States if brought close to, or into, the US Homeland."

What the classified version of the NIE said:

The Director, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, US Air Force, does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents.

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/7914375.htm

WHITE HOUSE REPEATEDY WARNED BY INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY:

The Washington Post reported this weekend, "President Bush and his top advisers ignored many of the caveats and qualifiers included in the classified report on Saddam Hussein's weapons."

Specifically, the President made unequivocal statements that Iraq "has got chemical weapons" two months after the DIA concluded that there was "no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons."

He said, "Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production" three months after the White House received an intelligence report that clearly indicated Department of Energy experts concluded the tubes were not intended to produce uranium enrichment centrifuges.

He said, "Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa," three months after "the CIA sent two memos to the White House in October voicing strong doubts about" the claim.

-Sources: WP, 2/7/04; Bush statement, 11/3/02; DIA report, 2002; Bush statement, 1/28/03; NIE, October 2002; WP, 7/23/03; Bush statement, 10/7/02; WP, 9/26/03

WHITE HOUSE IGNORED INTELLIGENCE WARNINGS:

Knight Ridder reported that CIA officers "said President Bush ignored warnings" that his WMD case was weak. And Greg Thielmann, the Bush State Department's top intelligence official, "said suspicions were presented as fact, and contrary arguments ignored." Knight Ridder later reported, "Senior diplomatic, intelligence and military officials have charged that Bush and his top aides made assertions about Iraq's banned weapons programs and alleged links to al-Qaeda that weren't supported by credible intelligence, and that they ignored intelligence that didn't support their policies."

-Knight-Ridder, 6/13/03; CBS News, 6/7/03; Knight Ridder, 6/28/03

Doubts, Dissent Stripped from Public Version of Iraq Assessment

The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0210-02.htm

CIA to Bush: 'No clear Evidence of WMD'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120103A.shtml

WHEN did BUSH tell the American public that the CIA said there was NO CLEAR EVIDENCE? HE DIDN'T.

Why the CIA thinks Bush is wrong

The president says the US has to act now against Iraq. The trouble is, his own security services don't agree.
http://www.sundayherald.com/28384

WHEN did BUSH tell the American public that the CIA said there was NO CLEAR EVIDENCE? HE DIDN'T.

CIA in blow to Bush attack plans

The letter also comes at a time when the CIA is competing with the more hawkish Pentagon, which is also supplying the White House with intelligence on the Iraqi threat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,808970,00.html

WHEN did BUSH tell the American public that the CIA said there was NO CLEAR EVIDENCE? HE DIDN'T.

White House 'exaggerating Iraqi threat'
Bush's televised address attacked by US intelligence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html

Did YOU EVER hear BUSH say the #1 experts in the USA on UAVs (drones), the US Air Force, flat-out said from the start that Iraq's "drones" were a joke?

NO YOU DID NOT.

In FACT, bush privately told Congress, right before the IWR vote, that Iraq's "drones" could REACH AMERICA.

Did YOU EVER hear BUSH say that the #1 experts in the USA on centrifuges, the DoE, flat-out said from the start that Iraq's aluminum tubes were NOT for nukes but ONLY for conventional rockets???

NO YOU DID NOT.

Did YOU EVER ONCE hear bush mention ANY of the many many many DISSENTING EXPERT OPINIONS?

NO YOU DID NOT.

It was NEVER the CIA saying "THERE IS NO DOUBT."

bush didn't "make his WMD case" with his own lies; think what total lack of support there would have been, if he'd PUBLICLY READ THE CIA'S NIE, with all their DISSENTING EXPERT OPINIONS AND DOUBTS.

[FormerOstrich]

6. LynnTheDem

...just wanted to say how much I appreciate your posts on this topic. They are great!!!

I was telling someone, again, just tonight how bad of a (whatever is the correct term) that we had access to the information "real time" and we knew the facts. The only "new" things coming out are just CYA fluff. If I knew, you damn well would think Congress and the President knew.

Thanks for all the hard work assembling the items. Do you mind if I print your posts and hand them out to some people?

[LynnTheDem]

7. Please hand out any info you like! This scapegoating the intell just

REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!! It's NOT TRUE, and bush is a lying COWARD for allowing it to happen. As always.

NUKES:

The CIA said Iraq had NO NUKES. NONE. NADA. ZIP.

It's in their October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate.

BUSH & CHENEY said Iraq had nukes.

So we go to Iraq and there's NO NUKES.

And the CIA IS TO BLAME??? BUSH & CHENEY are ABSOLVED???

NOT!

The CIA were RIGHT.

BUSH & CHENEY LIED.

CHEM/BIO:

The CIA said they were missing MANY KEY ASPECTS on Iraq's chem/bio programs.

BUSH & CHENEY said THERE IS NO DOUBT.

So we go to Iraq and there's NO CHEM and NO BIO.

And the CIA IS TO BLAME??? BUSH & CHENEY are ABSOLVED???

YES the CIA was wrong...but the CIA ALWAYS ADMITTED THEY DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE. BUSH & CHENEY said THERE IS NO DOUBT.

The CIA was WRONG in their judgement of Iraq's chem & bio weapons, but the CIA SAID they DIDN'T KNOW & it was JUST THEIR JUDGEMENT. They also LISTED all the dissenting opinions.

BUSH IGNORED ALL of the DOUBTS and CAVEATS and DISSENTING EXPERT OPINIONS and in FACT NEVER EVEN READ the CIA's NIE. BUSH said "THERE IS NO DOUBT"; not the CIA.

[Hissyspit]

45. Here's Lynn's earlier posting on the CIA Scapegoating:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3394174#3399351

[bling bling]

10. Good to see you around here again, Lynn.

I haven't been checking in as much as usual lately, so you might have been posting again before this, but anyway, welcome back. I always enjoy reading your comments. :-)

[LynnTheDem]

47. Thanks, bling bling! I'm not really back, but hubby's away on military

stuff, so I was sitting there all bored bored bored & thought I'd just take a peek at DU...

:D

[4dsc]

15. Bookmarked for sure

and I'm speading the word to other as well..

[gratuitous]

25. Pssssh! Facts!

"You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"

--Eminent philosopher and Bush administration advisor Homer Simpson

[Minnesota_Lib]

8. Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski and the Lie Factory

Commission members insist the intel analysts they interviewed "universally assert that in no instance did political pressure cause them to change" their judgments. But the panel report leaves open the critical question of why doubts about the quality of the intelligence were not taken more seriously.

Well, it is obvious the commission conveniently failed to interview Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski and consider her story about how the neocon Bushites took over the Pentagon's intelligence units and then proceeded to "cherry-pick" intelligence to make a case for war.

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence‚ -- it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking points for U.S. officials‚ -- including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February‚ -- that the administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an unnecessary war.

More about Kwiatkowski and The Lie Factory (Mother Jones - Jan/Feb 2004 issue)

[leftchick]

13. They Never looked at the OSP and This "Intelligence Chain".....

... What a fucking cover-up! :banghead:

[Nothing Without Hope]

9. WOW - yup, that's a smoking gun all right.

And the next time someone starts praising him, remind them that McCain signed this POS and backs it all the way.

The only question is, can they get away with it? Good that this came out in Newsweek.

Recommended

[bling bling]

11. I can only shake my head, as usual.

I'm almost surprised Newsweek even bothered to report it.

[truthisfreedom]

12. what kind of hooey was that comment? it doesn't make any sense! read it

again...

Not so, says the White House. A senior official says the report lays to rest any notion that the administration lied or falsified intelligence. "People now understand that what we were saying publicly is what we were being told privately," the official said.

it doesn't mean anything! what official nervously blathered on about nothing to try to handwave this away? it's like "look over here... the report's over here, not that email. never mind that email."

this is the same handwaving bullsh*t that's going on in Ohio every time the report gets repeated that it woudl be a million to one odds that the exit polls would be wrong about Kerry winning Ohio. "dead horse, dead horse!" they scream. "wasting valuable time! think something else!"

these thugs have to come up with a new way of distracting us. it's not even plausible denial anymore, it's just nervous distraction.

[bklyncowgirl]

14. Whitewash Alert! Good catch by Newsweek.

This shows what sort of partisan whitewash job this commission was set up to be. Any Democrat who participated in this farce should be ashamed of himself.

I'd love to see this get mainstream media coverage--I guess we can all dream.

[rodeodance]

16. was there any coverage on this at all? any discussion last few days?

[AlinPA]

19. Media won't touch it. Wasn't this report put out during the watch for the

Pope's death?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Tenet was forced out because the NeoCons needed to....

...reinforce the PUBLIC picture that they were given bad intell by the CIA. Tenet became the fall-guy when no Iraqi WMDs were found.

Just as George H. W. Bush's long CIA career was largely hidden from view, Tenet was also a long-term CIA employee before he was given the CIA's top position of Director. The difference between the two men is that Tenet was well-repected by both sides of the political aisle, and was known as a man that didn't play politics.

Most insiders knew prior to the invasion of Iraq that the NeoCon-created, Pentagon-based OSP was responsible for compiling intell reports supporting the notion of Iraqi WMDs. Rumsfeld, Cheney and other top-level NeoCons were heavily involved with the formation of the OSP. If you will recall, Rumsfeld got into a very public dispute with the CIA shortly after the NeoCons took possession of the US Government. Rumsfeld stated that he couldn't trust the information he was getting from the CIA and proposed that the CIA report to the Department of Defense so that intell could be streamlined. Meanwhile, Cheney had begun visiting the CIA to attempt to ensure that the CIA produced intell that supported the notion of Iraqi WMDs.

Bob Woodward's book claimed later that Tenet had told Bush at Crawford, TX, that he had "slam dunk" intell that proved that Iraq had WMDs. Woodward claimed that Tenet's statement was verified by at least two people present at that meeting...but Tenet was the only non-NeCon present at that meeting which makes the information suspect at best. The information that ultimately destroys Woodward's premise is Woodward himself. Woodward was a Yalie, a member of a secret society, and a member of the Yale Naval Reserve Officers Training Program...the ideal CIA recruit profile.

Upon graduation from Yale, Woodward went on active duty in a series of Naval comm/intell roles culminating with the fast-track position of briefer in the Pentagon. Many observers are convinced that Woodward's departure from the military to become a journalist was a smokescreen designed to hide his ongoing relationship with the intell world. Operation Mockingbird was developed by the CIA to place their personnel within the US mainstream media to ensure that critical information was both controlled and desiminated worldwide. This premise goes a long way to explain how a man with a year and a half of journalism experience was able to produce the kind of sources that ultimately led to Nixon's resignation.

[sidpleasant]

20. What else would we expect from Silberman?

Judge Lawrence Silberman is one of the worst partisan (GOP of course) hacks in Washington. He was involved in the meetings where the '80 Reagan campaign conspired with the Iranian government to keep the American hostages captive until after the election. Silberman blatantly sided with Oliver "Psycho" North in the successful appeal of his conviction. Silberman also devised strategies for attacking Bill Clinton - while he was part of the 3 judge panel that settled disputes between the Clinton administration and Ken Starr! Is anyone really surprised that this rabid GOP hack delivered a whitewash report on the screw ups of a Republican administration?

[Jose Diablo]

26. I wonder how Silberman

has managed to escape justice himself over the years? He is a slim ball of the worst sort. If I were to make a list of those most eligible to meet a hangman at a gallows in Leavenworth, Silberman would right there, close to the top of the list.

[Maestro]

21. Why does this not surprise me?

Let's hope this story has some legs and doesn't get buried. Great posts here. Very informative.

[Callboy]

22. nice it figures

[Roland99]

23. 2006...Dems take over...then...IMPEACH the Bastards!!

[tridim]

32. The 06 Dem candidates should campaign on that

"Vote for me and I will vote to Impeach the corrupt Bush administration."

That's a winner IMO.

[Roland99]

36. Maybe if they did subtly.

That's a very harsh platform on which to run.

[Stephanie]

24. How can they claim the report "laid to rest" notions that Bush lied

And at the same time Silberman says they were specifically directed NOT to look at the administration's role in the misinformation? Mo Dowd summed this up beautifully yesterday >


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<snip> It is absurd to have yet another investigation into the chuckleheaded assessments on Saddam's phantom W.M.D. that intentionally skirts how the $40 billion-a-year intelligence was molded and manufactured to fit the ideological schemes of those running the White House and Pentagon.

As the commission's co-chairman, Laurence Silberman, put it: "Our executive order did not direct us to deal with the use of intelligence by policy makers, and all of us were agreed that that was not part of our inquiry."

* * * *

Please, no more pantomime investigations. We all know what happened. Dick Cheney and the neocons had a fever to sack Saddam. Mr. Cheney and Rummy persuaded W., "the Man," that it was the manly thing to do. Everybody feigned a 9/11 connection. Ahmad Chalabi conned his neocon pals, thinking he could run Iraq if he gave the Bush administration the smoking gun it needed to sell the war.

Suddenly Curveball appeared, the relative of an aide to Mr. Chalabi, to become the lone C.I.A. source with the news that Iraq was cooking up biological agents in mobile facilities hidden from arms inspectors and Western spies. Curveball's obviously sketchy assertions ended up in Mr. Tenet's October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate and Colin Powell's U.N. speech in February 2003, laying the groundwork for an invasion of Iraq. <more>

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/opinion/04dowd.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists&oref=login

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[johnaries]

27. So we have proof he lied about the war and now he's lying about

lying. This is certainly grounds for impeachment - if he didn't have Congress in his back pocket.
:nuke:

[ClintonTyree]

28. "Cherry picking evidence".....

But its absence from the report raises questions of whether the Silberman panel may have "cherry-picked" evidence to exclude anything politically embarrassing to the "Powers That Be." Not so, says the White House. A senior official says the report lays to rest any notion that the administration lied or falsified intelligence. "People now understand that what we were saying publicly is what we were being told privately," the official said.

Oh really? :wtf:

"Keep in mind the fact that this war's going to happen regardless of what Curve Ball said or didn't say and that the Powers That Be probably aren't terribly interested in whether Curve Ball knows what he's talking about," the CIA official wrote.

Hmmmmm..... "this war's going to happen regardless of what Curve Ball said or didn't say..."

Yeah, that "lays to rest any notion that the administration lied or falsified intelligence"... to ME! They just fucking ignored it and then DID LIE about the reasons for this illegal war!

MSNBC picked it up, I hope they run with it. But I'm not holding my breath. 24/7 coverage of a dead Pope trumps everything else at least until Friday. Then the next damning bit information can be released about the gang of thugs in the WH to be forgotten over the NEXT weekend. :grr:

When, WHEN will ANYONE hold these lying, cheating scumbag's feet to the fire? WHEN? :banghead:

[DirtyDawg]

29. Keep it up...

...just keep it up. And maybe, just maybe, the fools will finally have to admit that their vaunted leaders were just using them all along. Of course, it won't matter to those that are in on the deal...namely, making money on the war and the onward Christian soldiers crowd. No, nothing that's revealed about the deceit and arrogance of these people will matter to them. At the same time, perhaps they'll be enough of the rest of us to kick 'em out.

[Chi]

31. I guess we're supposed to just forget about the original report...

Summary of just the conclusions...
http://dks.thing.net/NIEfaulty.html

Full report...
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/iraq.html

[CAcyclist]

35. I want that quote on a t-shirt nt

[Old and In the Way]

40. Easy proof that we were going to war all along.

Open up the secret energy meetings that Cheney chaired. That's where the plan to invade and occupy Iraq was hatched. That was the end; the intel was distorted to provide the means.

[demgurl]

41. I don't know why Bu$h didn't just say.....

that his dog Barney gave him the intel - it would be just as credible as what happened.

On second thought, he should have just God told him. They would have believed him and no one could have proven that one wrong!

[KoKo]

44. Damned if "Spiky" Isikoff isn't scenting a "Blue Dress" here..

As weak as this little snippet is....it's the first time I've seen Isikoff drift from the Bushie Talking Points. :wow:

[emald]

46. PTR a bunch of stinking rotting liers....

Proof is all over the place that shrub lied and lied blatantly to get his petulant little way. No "christian" seems to think thats a problem. No one of the PTB seems to think thats a problem. But somewhere around half of us do think it's a problem. The SOB should be in fucking jail. He should be standing on the bucket with wires at his genitals. This whole lying decietfull mess of shit just makes me madder than hell. Won
t anyone with voice call these lies what they are?

[bling bling]

48. kick.