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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:53 PM
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Britain to pull out 5,500 troops from Iraq: Report
Britain plans to reduce the size of its military force in Iraq from 9,000 to 3,500 soldiers within a year and increase its troops in Afghanistan in a renewed bid to hunt down Osama bin Laden and other senior Al-Qaeda figures reportedly hiding close to the country's border with Pakistan, a leading London newspaper said on Sunday.

The withdrawals from Iraq could begin by April next year because coalition forces would have trained enough members of the Iraqi defence and police forces to take control of security throughout Iraq, according to the report in The Sunday Telegraph.

Lt Gen James Conway of the US marines recently said that the withdrawal of American troops within the same time frame as the British was possible because Iraqis were "starting to take control of their own situation".

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1304763,00050003.htm

The article is here- registration only
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main.jhtml?&_DARGS=/core/lowerHeaderBarFrag.jhtml
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hippiepunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:55 PM
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1. "starting to take control of their own situation"
horseshit! They are getting the hell out of there as fast as they can.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:11 PM
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4. They are
starting to take control of their own situation. Starting yesterday, with the attack on Abu Ghraib, which has been totally ignored by US media.
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omulcol Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 03:18 PM
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12. Not sure how to take that comment - but
British troops are going nowhere. The UK oil industry invested millions before Saddam threw them out ... and they want their investments back ... with interest.

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 04:25 PM
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15. Mission Accomplished!
Where have I heard that before?
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 01:57 PM
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2. Don't believe anything that comes out before the election
This is all part of Tony's campaign.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:07 PM
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3. My first thought was that it was a campaign issue.
They vote next month, don't they?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:20 PM
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5. Britain has a vote, where does Blair stand in the polls and who ...
...are his opponents?
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:45 AM
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21. The Labour Party are ahead in the polls
State of the parties - Guardian/ICM poll, March 2005:

Labour 40% (+3)
Conservatives 32% (-2)
Liberal Democrats 20% (-1)
Others 7%* (-1)

Labour lead: 8%

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/polls/

Only Labour and Conservatives have a realistic chance of winning.

Labour's domestic policies are a mixture of social democracy and neo-liberalism. It's foreign policy is interventionist.

Conservatives' domestic policies are a mixture of reactionary conservatism with some neo-conservative tendencies. It's foreign policy is even more interventionist than Labour.

The Liberal Democrats' domestic policies are liberal with some neo-liberal elements (but these are less profound). It's foreign policy is generally passive/non-confrontational.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:37 PM
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7. I believe elections are in August. Emad?
Now, I have a question about the British troops, which I've never been able to figure out. I read about 1 1/2 years ago that the UK troops were being funded by a trust fund that was supposedly going to run out in June of last year.

I was waiting to see what happened, as the money was supposedly running out. Nothing. The troops still stayed there. I never heard anything more about this issue, dead silence.

I'm assuming here that the US picked up the tab for Tony's Triumphant Brigade.

Any ideas on how much this is costing the UK? I'm not sure if they can afford it.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:44 PM
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8. uk elections...
a date has not yet been set, but all the parties are already campaigning. There was a rumour that early May had been chosen, but so far, no confirmation.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:58 PM
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11. May 5th is the universally expected date
Blair was going to ask the queen for the formal dissolving of parliament on Monday, but has put it off till Tuesday so as not to clash with a memorial service for the Pope in Westminster Cathedral.

Funding: Gordon Brown authorises a bit more whenever it's needed (spending like that has been put inside general spending plans and votes). That story says Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the UK £4.4 billion by the end of 2004.
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omulcol Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 04:11 PM
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13. Guess the trust fund was re-named - and
is now commonly known as "Tax, Tax, Tax and more Tax " !

Never heard anything in relation to trust funds ...though an amount of some billions of GB Pounds were set aside for the Invasion by the government. Some time ago ... around May ? June? or so ... news emerged that the Iraqi invasion had so far cost UK tax payers 1 Billion pounds. Obviously that's risen sharply since extra troops have been sent , including those of the Territorial Army, ( Voluntary part timers)

Since hearing, or reading this story I'm not aware of any other admission with regard to costs... but be assured, Joe Public is footing the bill .... whatever the amount - and paid for in exactly the same way Americans pay ...... from taxation !


Since writing, I found a link for anyone interested in reading !

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,1205271,00.html
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:53 PM
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9. ten four from niner that's a copy
Tony baby is in campaign form while drinking champagne & winking at his butt boy junior, 'eh?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:27 PM
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6. Didn't they just say they were going to INCREASE them?
I could have sworn that they said that.

BOTH the British and the Americans were going to increase troop size
-- or so I thought, before I got Schiavoed.

Oh well,
that is what comes of taking a tiger by the tail.
Let's go bomb Syria and Lebanon and North Korea.
And France.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:57 PM
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10. Aye mate, on the slow day after ALL the bombing is done we can stick our
pricks in the mashed potatoes at the Royal Ball.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 04:16 PM
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14. Yes indeed....
they were about to send several hundred more troops to Iraq about a month ago. :shrug:
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:36 AM
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16. kick to combine
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RCPJAP Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:37 AM
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17. Britain to pull 5,500 troops out of Iraq
Defence chiefs are planning to reduce the size of the British military force in Iraq from 9,000 to 3,500 troops within 12 months as part of a phased withdrawal from Iraq, The Telegraph can reveal.

In the first stage of Britain's "exit strategy", troops will be withdrawn from three of the Army's five military bases in southern Iraq by April 2006.

The move also fits in with a plan to increase British troop numbers in Afghanistan in a renewed attempt to hunt down Osama bin Laden and other senior al-Qa'eda figures who are believed to be hiding close to the country's border with Pakistan.

Senior American and British military figures believe that withdrawals can begin by April next year because coalition forces will have trained enough members of the Iraqi defence and police forces to take control of security throughout Iraq.

The disclosure coincides with an announcement by a senior United States Marine Corps general that America would probably start withdrawing its troops in 12 to 24 months.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/03/nirq03.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/04/03/ixnewstop.html
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:37 AM
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18. Hmmm. Reality or excuse to cover up their mistake of going there at all?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:37 AM
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19. starting in April, 2006**--this is re-election ploy by Blair.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:37 AM
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20. Absolutely what it is...
..this is nothing but an election sweetener...

They must be worried about their majority....
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 12:29 AM
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23. "re-election ploy by Blair". Tony overlooks one minor detail, unlike
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 12:32 AM by oasis
like dumbass U.S.voters, folks in the U.K. actually read.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:56 PM
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22. kick
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:29 AM
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24. kick to combine
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:30 AM
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25. UK planning to pull British troops out of Iraq
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=ebd90874a6a66233

Big News Network.com Monday 4th April, 2005

Britain is reportedly planning to reduce Britain's military presence in Iraq from 9,000 to 3,500 troops within 12 months as part of a phased withdrawal.

The troops will be pulled from three of the British army's five military bases in southern Iraq by April 2006, the Independent reported Sunday.

The move, the first stage of Britain's exit strategy, coincides with plans to send more British troops to Afghanistan for renewed efforts to hunt down Osama bin Laden and other senior al-Qaida figures believed to be hiding in the area, the Independent said.

more...

The good news is America is going to start pull out too... at least thats what they are telling our troops there!!!
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:30 AM
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26. Prescott Bush should have pulled out. nt
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:30 AM
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27. LOL!
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:03 AM
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31. love it!
:rofl:
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:30 AM
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28. Well, yeah, there's an election in May
Blair's just looking to his own future.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:30 AM
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29. What coalition?
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 09:22 AM by ckramer
People are rushing to the door!
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:35 AM
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30. Bullsh and Bliar sitting in a tree
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 09:53 AM by Algorem
Chop down the fucking tree.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:15 AM
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32. let's see my 5 new elections and now this...
i wonder if these two are connected:eyes:
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