Draft may be needed in a year, military analysts warn

[quaoar]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0330draft30-ON.html

Bob Dart
Cox News Service
Mar. 30, 2005 03:24 PM

WASHINGTON - If American forces aren't pulling out of Iraq in a year, a draft will be needed to meet manpower requirements, military analysts warned Wednesday.

With recruitment lagging and no end in sight for U.S. forces in Iraq, the "breaking point" for the nation's all-volunteer military will be mid-2006, agreed Lawrence Korb, a draft opponent and assistant defense secretary in the Reagan administration, and Phillip Carter, a conscription advocate and former Army captain.

"America's all-volunteer military simply cannot deploy and sustain enough troops to succeed in places like Iraq while still deterring threats elsewhere in the world," Carter concluded in the March issue of "Washington Monthly." advertisement

Korb is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, and a senior adviser to the Center for Defense Information. Carter is attorney who writes on military affairs for Slate.com and other media. They debated at a symposium on the draft Wednesday.

[nytemare]

1. Imagine that!

And W is too old, despite raising the age for entrance. Damned!

[physioex]

2. We have been warned of this several times......

This is probably bound to happen.....

[mtnester]

3. Told you so, told you so....now where is my sharp stick

so I can poke the idiots that voted for * over and over while I chant the words above

[soup]

4. *&##$@!!*&**

Yesterday, my 17 (almost 18) year old son received his Official Registration Acknowledgment Card from the SSS.

Today, his t-shirt arrived from http://www.nodraftnoway.org/



Tomorrow, he'll wear it for the MARCH 31 - Nationwide Day of Action Against the Draft.

My heart cries.

[HockeyMom]

5. They will pull them within the year

need to get on with the business of spreading democracy. Ah, so many rogue nations, so little time (and troops). Next?

[FogerRox]

6. Right on girl--power to the people--and MOMS

One Million troops have rotated thru the Iraqi theater

[BeHereNow]

8. Start documenting CO activities.

So that if he is called before draft board
he will have a documented history to
prove CO qualification.
Or prepare him for the reality of
doing time or living as an outlaw for the
rest of his life.
These are pretty much the only options
for our young people when the draft
rears its ugly head- and it will.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

12. Important link: CO Status

http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/032103/032103i.htm
"Early documentation is key
to conscientious objector
status

By DEMETRIA MARTINEZ
Albuquerque, N.M.

Teenagers who think they might seek
conscientious objector status if the draft is
revived need to start documenting their
beliefs now, said Albuquerque attorney
Tova Indritz."

[soup]

53. Thank you for the link to the article.

Very plainly written and well laid out. I've added it to my list of bookmarks.

We'll make sure pictures are taken tomorrow. Have no doubt his girlfriend would be glad to help compile his documentation.

Or we could all just trust ** saying there will be no draft. :excuse me while I fall off my chair in hysterical laughter and outrage:

[BeHereNow]

58. THE best expose to date, as to why there WILL be a draft-

http://sf.indymedia.org/print.php?id=1654942

"The American youth are sitting ducks. Here a taste of
what the American regime, as nation-state, faces
because of its manipulated misdirection into an all
encompassing global regime: the American-led
corporate global empire -- Imperium in Imperio.

Imperial ills: The Great American Problematic: The Youth The
Draft and Imperial Justification

By Craig B Hulet?

There are a collection of problems facing this newest form of
empire, American-led though it may be. The problems facing
the nation-state of America are just those that impair the
empire’s ability to grow. It shall grow at the expense of the
American people, their prosperity, their future and their
children’s futures. America will slowly drift to a level of standards
well-below what even our parents dreamt of; below everything
the present generation (say the 17-37 year olds) had hoped for.
“The American standard of living 'must' drop...” Federal Reserve
Chairman Paul Volker proclaimed when he took office under
Jimmy Carter during 1979. Less than a generation later, we are
about to see the bottom fall out of it. Here is but a taste of what
the American regime, as nation-state, faces because of its
manipulated misdirection into an all encompassing global
regime: the American-led corporate global empire -- Imperium
in Imperio."

I have been following this man's work for seven years
and must tell you, he has not been wrong once.
He has been smeared and banned from all media,
both left and right, but so far he is always spot on.
I read and bookmark everything he writes.
BHN

On edit: His web site:
http://www.craigbhulet.com

[all.of.me]

19. we'll be leaving the country.

that's the only other option.

[BeHereNow]

28. If that is the case-

Have you discovered this site yet?
THE quintessential web page for expatriating.
ENJOY!
http://www.escapeartist.com

I spend HOURS on this site...
BHN

[all.of.me]

47. oh my god! this is wonderful! thanks very much!

[BeHereNow]

54. Escapeartist.com is my

favorite reality break on the net...
I have purchased several properties
and accepted numerous jobs, globally,
in my cyber day dreaming hours there...
BHN

[all.of.me]

65. in reality, i have...

researched italy, spain, argentina and new zealand. this morning i was talking to a friend about namibia. in our minds we can go anywhere, which is a blast! it's good to know that a site like this exists just for us. i think i'll go look for some land..... hahaha

[Carolab]

99. Oh, me too. Isn't it wonderful?

So many possibilities, really.

[Donailin]

39. what will you do?

I have two teen sons, 16 and 15. And a daughter, 13. I did not raise my sons to kill someone elses sons. A friend of mine said she's joining the religious community of the Quakers (their totally against war) in an official capacity. Going twice a week, even. None of the family is particularly religious, but her husband is a DC correspondent for San Diego newspaper and if *they* are worried. .

On edit: my friend has a 17 year old son

[Daphne08]

51. My two sons are in their 20s and I'm terrified!

[burn the bush]

90. i have heard that only those turning 20 on the year of the draft

will be likely to go. Unfortunatly, that is my son. Keep fighting. If they see us protesting the war, they will know that we will not allow a draft.

[soup]

61. Right now, we're documenting

anything and everything anti-war related that our son participates in-

from the National Day of Action that takes place tomorrow to something as loosely related as a letter from his teacher for his participation as a peer counselor at school. (anti-violence)

We've opted out of any of his info being released to the military through his school.

Mostly, I cry and panic at the thought. :-(

His passport is in a safebox in the closet, but I don't see that as an option he would be willing to take - a last resort, possibly.

I don't know, I just don't know. There is so much fear for the future of all of our children.

[Donailin]

72. Thanks for the reminder

get passports.

[EVDebs]

7. Map of bases and false 'promise' by Bush to bring troops home

see link at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1695754&mesg_id=1695754

[Larkspur]

9. Hmm, could Bush pardon convicts, including murderers, if they join the

Armed Forces? I could see the Repukes using that as a first choice. Fight for country or rot in jail!!! That could be their battle cry. And just think of all those child molesters and psychopaths torturing prisoners, oops I mean working, at foreign prisons, like Abu Graib.

[alittlelark]

52. That's been my guess for awhile.

[unhappycamper]

63. even worse, think of these psychopaths working the civilian inmate camps

here. Once the conquer-the-world crew gets rolling, they will need someone to keep 'peace' at hoome.

[Career Prole]

10. There's nothing like a draft

to get a stronger antiwar movement going. Might even get some College Repuglicans toting signs.

[leftchick]

38. what I would not give to see my college REPUKE nephew's face

when he gets his draft notice! I mean it! This guy would faint at the sight of blood yet love's aWol's war! Go fight in it ya big hero!!

[Career Prole]

87. He'll be looking to borrow your peace sign t-shirt for the sit-in.

Make him wear his B/C'04!

It'll get the butts out of the seats and out on the streets, alright.
It takes special people (liberals) to protest on behalf of other people, but once that self-interest aspect kicks in they'll be shoulder-to-shoulder out there.
"Hell no! I won't go! Hell no! I won't go!" :hippie:

[smoogatz]

11. It may take a draft to motivate younger voters, unfortunately.

Might be just the thing they need to help them see the light.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

13. Well, DUH....

Hear that, freepers? Now's your chance to put up or shut up!

Oh, yeah. I ENLISTED in 1973, while there was another little scrap going on. You know-- it's the one your so-called "president" ran away from. What he did is usually called treason, by the way....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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[Auntie Bush]

29. Can I join you?

[mmonk]

14. World conquest is hard work

need help.

[Realityhack]

15. Just spin - Not going to happen

I am all in favor of pointing out the strain put on our millitary and its recruiting efforts by the war in Iraq. But...

Claiming a draft will be instated is intelectualy bankrupt. Even these experts say "if we are not withdrawing" and "unable to succed" which are BIG heges.

The FACT is that neither party would touch a draft. They know its political suicide for that party for a decade or more. Even Bush and his brain Cheney have enough party loalty not to sink their entire party on such a proposition.

Basicaly this is us the democrats using a scare tactic to point out policy problems under Bush. Its BS and our argumets would probobly be stronger without such claims.

/ Realityhack

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

16. A hundred Euros sez you're wrong.

I'll get back to you in a year to collect. (I don't want to bet dollars because in a year they'll be worthless.)

[Realityhack]

20. Sorry too poor

I couldn't put up the money.

But seariously I can not see either party actualy voting one in. As I said they would not see power again for a decade. They can both read the opinion polls. A draft would destroy them and the rest of their adgenda with it.

I admit there is always a chance but on this one I beleive (and hope) I am right (as much of a political windfal as it would be)

/ Realityhack

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

26. We're neck deep in a fascist dictatorship now.

What makes you think they are worried about the next "election"? And *bush himself has said they don't rule lead the country by following the opinion polls...

[Realityhack]

32. Because of two things

One they have to maintain plausibility. You can rig a close election but a wide spred one would get them caught wich contributes to number two...

The main reason is because they know they can still be overthown. Which is why the draft was ultimately ended durring vietnam. The government became conserned that they would not be able to enforce the law at home (martial law in some areas) and fight overseas at the same time if they continued.

Though I agree about us living in a fascist dictatorship.

/ Realityhack

[MADem]

57. They've done it before, and survived reelection, too

And this time, they've got DIEBOLD on their side.

If you don't think this could happen, you are living in a dream. They have dusted off and updated the Selective Service guides, drawn up GAO contracts for space where draft boards will meet, and recruited members of draft boards, who are on "standby." They are doing what is termed 'contingency planning.' And if things don't change QUICK those plans WILL be implemented.

I'm old enough to remember the last time. HELL NO, WE WON'T GO!!! they all said. But they went, most of them. And 58K never made it home, and the ones that did are fucked up to this day.

[ngGale]

100. You've got that right MADem...

people who keep saying it can't happen - have no idea, do they?

[meganmonkey]

22. Can I get in on that action?

:P

I'm with you, Prisoner. This is not a surprise to me at all. The more we hear this kind of stuff, the more accustomed to the idea the US will become. And all we need is a little terror attack or some such thing to justify it.

I will be very surprised if there isn't a major attempt at a draft by bushco within the next 6-12 months, and pretty surprised if it doesn't actually happen.

:hide:

[Realityhack]

27. Honestly

I would be supprised. Not completely taken off gaurd or anything. But I would be supprised if such an efficient political machine would make such a blunder... but then its not unimaginable.

They would deffinately need some new major crisis to justify it.

The very word DRAFT would galvanize almost the entire country against them.

/ Realityhack

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

31. They've done nothing BUT blunder after blunder for over four years

This is exactly why we're in the shit we are in right now. Their political machine is like an eight cylinder engine hitting on four cylinders. A rough ride, and sure to crash and burn before it gets put into the garage for repair.

[meganmonkey]

33. Well, time will tell..

I just think what would have happened if they tried a draft within a year of 9/11, I'm sure they'd have gotten it. And I certainly don't put it past bushco to let another attack happen.

Peace (I hope! ;) )

[Realityhack]

36. Not sure they would have

While it is posible It would have galvanized and expanded the anti-war movement to the point where they may not have even gotten their war in Iraq.

[reprobate]

82. Don't you mean to "Make" anorher attadck happen?

[meganmonkey]

84. Well, I actually deliberated over the wording on that one

I didn't want to completely alienate anyone ;)
That's a whole different thread. A whole different forum, actually!

[quaoar]

37. They wouldn't use the word draft

They'd come up with some Orwellian phrase like "Special Service"

[Realityhack]

45. Others would

The thing is there are other things they can do. One thing is to declare victory in Iraq and abandon it. Another is to extend stopgaps further in time etc.

I seriously doubt they would draft anyone reguardless of what they would call it. They would loose their next set of elections and probobly several after that.

As several people have pointed out this would create massive opposition to them.


These are things put out by liberal groups in a well meaning effort to point out the problems with current policy but they are all 'if current trends continue' kinds of things. If current trends continue that plane taking off from DC will reach the moon.


Its not that I don't think they want to. Its just that I think they are thoughtful enough in their plotting not to.

/ Realityhack

[meganmonkey]

60. "put out by liberal groups " ....?

You may want to read the whole article. This opinion is shared by two very different (yet militarily experienced) people:

--snip--

With recruitment lagging and no end in sight for U.S. forces in Iraq, the "breaking point" for the nation's all-volunteer military will be mid-2006, agreed Lawrence Korb, a draft opponent and assistant defense secretary in the Reagan administration, and Phillip Carter, a conscription advocate and former Army captain.

"America's all-volunteer military simply cannot deploy and sustain enough troops to succeed in places like Iraq while still deterring threats elsewhere in the world," Carter concluded in the March issue of "Washington Monthly."

Korb is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, and a senior adviser to the Center for Defense Information. Carter is attorney who writes on military affairs for Slate.com and other media. They debated at a symposium on the draft Wednesday.
---snip---

Can't blame this on liberal spin, sorry.

[Realityhack]

67. Previously...

a few months ago I saw a number of people claiming the draft was comming based on house and senate resolutions introduced as a protest by democrats.

In this case you have one guy from a liberal think-tank and one "conscription advocate".

The thing is that we will probobly eventualy just leave Iraq still in a terible mess. I SERIOUSLY doubt there would be support politicaly to get a draft in place.

/ Realityhack

[BrotherBuzz]

69. The Institute of Land Warfare (AUSA) ain't no libral think tank

"The all-volunteer force is close to breaking right now‚" said retired Maj. Gen. Edward Atkeson, now a prolific author on military affairs and a senior fellow at the Institute of Land Warfare. "When it does break, that's when you'll see the draft come back."

Atkeson said cracks are already showing with the use of stop loss to keep troops in beyond their active contracts and massivereserve mobilizations.

"The worst-case scenario is that things just continue as they are".

[Realityhack]

73. Yes

lots of people want a draft...

But show me where the votes would come from.

/ Realityhack

[BrotherBuzz]

79. No

Lots of people don't want the draft, but they are coming to grips with the fact that the military will soon need the draft.

Putting political suicide aside, congress may be forced to reinstate the draft to save the armed forces. The draft has never been popular, but it will be sold as a necessity. Heck, when they started the draft in 1941 1940 it passed by one vote.

Where will the votes come from? Do a study on PNAC, Neocons, and the Straussians to understand how public opinion is shaped. Google "The Noble Lie" and you will see the PNAC'ers are right on course and Bush* will succeed in selling the draft to the nation. Bet on it!

edited to correct a date....

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. The votes would come from an as yet unconcocted "crisis"

As they have in the past. The entire "selling" of the Iraq war was a case study in bizarre propaganda motivating the public this way and that.

Not only are the votes there, it will be near unanimous in the House and Senate. There'll be draft parties on Fox News 12 hours a day, featuring wholesome American kids and their folks glad to be serving their nation in a time of crisis, just like after Pearl Harbor. They'll call it the Defending Reason and Freedom Through National Organized Worthiness (DRAFTNOW) Act of 2006. The nightly news anchors will speak with effusiveness about toughness and sacrifice of American youth, meeting the crises of their generation, like their father and grandfathers before them. Flags will wave from every storefront, SUV, schoolhouse and outhouse in the land. Bush will squint his eyes and praise the "rightness" of the American people. Parents will hold draft bar-b-cues, and each night on MSNBC we'll meet a family hoping for a low lottery number. Christian fundamentalists will hand out miniature plastic crosses with low lottery numbers on them all over college campuses and in high school parking lots, calling the faithful to serve the Lord of Hosts. It will be a frenzied party of war, like the one we saw in March 2003. Don't believe Americans will throw themselves and their kids into the furnace on the basis of a manufactured crisis. I got about 1,532 reasons say you're wrong.

[NYC]

96. Great acronym.

They'll call it the Defending Reason and Freedom Through National Organized Worthiness (DRAFTNOW) Act of 2006.

You could have a career in the White House. :)

[Realityhack]

105. Scarry

Considering that I can see that happening.

But my point was without a major crisis it wouldn't sell. Not on the Iraq crisis. You would need some other major new problem. And even then depending upon what the crisis was it might not be all that easy of a sell.

/ Realityhack

[quaoar]

110. Need a major new problem?

Hell, take your pick:

1. Iran
2. Syria
3. North Korea

[meganmonkey]

71. Iraq is just the tip of the iceberg

Seriously -

I don't know if you are familiar with PNAC, but if you aren't, I highly recommend that you learn about it. This is what the real goals of this administration are.

--snip---
"The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) is a Neo-Conservative organization that almost nobody in America has heard of.

This is a major problem considering, their own documents reveal, they intend to use OUR military to create a "Unipolar World" that they will control.

Even more alarming, members of this Neo-Conservative group hold some of the most powerful positions in the American government. ...and yet most who have voted for them don't even know the core Neo-Conservative philosophies. Most have been fooled into thinking they've voted "Republican."

*** Vice President Dick Cheney is a founding member of PNAC, along with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz is the ideological father of the group.

The PNAC Statement of Principles is signed by Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, as well as by Eliot Abrams, Jeb Bush, Bush's special envoy to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad, and many others. William Kristol, famed conservative writer for the Weekly Standard, is also a co-founder of the group. The Weekly Standard is owned by Ruppert Murdoch, who also owns international media giant Fox News."
http://www.stopthelie.com/

Does that sound like some crazy left-wing conspiracy? YEP. It IS a conspiracy, but it is NOT just a 'theory'. Admittedly, the above site is very biased, so the following is from the PNAC's website so you can see that the above is true and this group not only exists, but has a frightening amount of power. This is the reality of our country:

Here is the report from Sept. 2000:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
(warning - this is a 90 page .pdf file)

Here is a page of their website with lots of links of what they do and think:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/defensenationalsecurity.htm

[BeHereNow]

66. Hello?

They are going to abandon it?
WHAT are you smoking?
Sorry, but you clearly have a very limited understanding
as to what the big picture is.
I only WISH I could relate to your innocence...
BHN

[despairing optimist]

85. Word change needed? No problem.

Cut "draft." Change it to "commitment to defend the homeland." Throw in "honor," "duty," "selflessness," and "patriotism"; let another terrorist attack happen; have * display a personal struggle with the issue frequently in public, ultimately deciding to sign the new "Homeland Defense Commitment Act"; and voila, the draft that's really not a draft because it's not called a draft is born.

For an administration that got the country to support regime change, what's a word change to it? Both parties will go along with it so there will be no scapegoat. Wait and see.

Will Babs and Jenna lead the way?

[BeHereNow]

23. You are wrong...

Sorry.
But Welcome to DU!
BHN

[smoogatz]

30. And if N Korea says "what the hell?" and invades the South?

Or Iran and Israel exchange nukes? Or war breaks out between Kazakhstan and one of its neighbors? Or civil war erupts in Iraq? Where do we get the people we'll need to respond to such an event without a draft? If/when a draft happens, it won't be a matter of choice--it'll be a necessity brought on by Dick and W's Excellent Iraqi Adventure.

[Realityhack]

34. Unlikely

those are very unlikely scenarios and in some cases a draft might actualy be warented.

as for civil war in Iraq (likely) we bail. We have done it before and we can do it again. We pay the various sides to kill eachother and courupt the ultimate victors.

I have no illusions about power in the US but I seriously doubt any congress person would be foolhardy enough to actualy propose/vote for a draft. Even if Bush tried executive power it would be overturned in a day.

Just my informed opinion... BTW if you read back a lot of what people have clamed over the last few years as evidence a draft was in the works were Democratic scare tactics to stir up anti-war support.

/ Realityhack

[smoogatz]

62. You and the Bush administration

share the same faith-based approach to military/foreign policy. If a N Korean incursion across the DMV is so unlikely, why do we have over 37,000 troops in S Korea? If Israel attacks Iran's nuclear facilities--a very likely scenario, IMO--how do we know the conflict won't escalate? And what on earth makes you think Bushco have any intention of leaving Iraq, under any circumstances?

[Realityhack]

68. They may not intend to leave

And any of those things could happen... but.

There is no political support now for a draft. Period.

If NK invades SK or Iran invades Isriel or Germany ivades Iowa then the sitiuation could definately change. But it likely would even without Iraq in any of those cases anyway.

So I say... there probobly will not be a draft just because of Iraq.

As for leaving Iraq I don't think they want to and I seriously doubt we will leave completely in the forseable future but we may well scale back drasticaly and let the chaos continue while declaring victory.

/ Realityhack

[bunny planet]

40. Your spelling is telling.

:hi:

[Realityhack]

43. Yes

that I am dyslexic... asside from that it would just be an ad-hominim argument and I am sure you know better ;-)

[bunny planet]

44. just checking

;-)

[Realityhack]

48. LOL

[natrat]

75. politics as we know it doesn't exist anymore

electronic voting fraud is undetecable and massive -things have changed

[The_Casual_Observer]

94. They know its political suicide for that party for a decade or more

They have already broached social security as a rehearsal for this one. They don't have any problem with this. As gas reaches $5 a gallon, all the freeps will be ready to sell their first born to secure cheap oil.

[caligirl]

17. Isn't cox news service a right wing news feed service, I'm not

so sure I would give much weight to this news group. Could this be propaganda from Bushco. Testing the waters now for future draft?

[quaoar]

21. Cox is a newspaper chain

Includes Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

[laugle]

18. The one thing that will finally UNITE OUR COUNTRY

One word........DRAFT.....finally our country will come together against the THEO-CONS! Maybe that's what is needed????

[Realityhack]

24. Which is why

I beleive it will not happen. Even the most idiological neocons can read those tea leaves.

/ Realityhack

[laugle]

35. It is hard to imagine

but remember PNAC...how to they fulfill that without a military? They will probably re-neg and say it's a matter of national security, another de-ja-vue moment.

[Selteri]

25. So by this statement... they'd have to start the draft no so people would

be ready in time?

Color me... completely unsurprised because I've been saying it's comming for a long long time. Actually September 11th 2001.

[bluestateguy]

41. I oppose the draft

But the one good thing (and really the only good thing in my view) is the enjoyment that I'm going to get watching some little frat boy chickenhawk shit in his pants when he gets his draft notice in the mail. That will be funny.

[Chicago1]

42. DRAFT=POLITICAL SUICIDE--->Votergate & Gannongate to explode

IF THEY HOLD A DRAFT THE REPUBLICANTS WILL START THE IMPEACHMENT THEMSEVLES. The ugly GOP will NEVER EVER EVER EVER send their kids to this RIDICULOUS "war" (oil occupation).

The Democrats have already figured out that this REGIME holds "emergencies" to get everyone to rally to their cause. We've seen ENOUGH of these emergencies.


The evidence of the STOLEN 2004 election has already been compiled and VOTERGATE is going to be launched on them. I think Senator Kerry and Senator Edwards way of being silent and then STRIKING (think Shock and Awe here) is OUTSTANDING thinking. If I were them, I would do the same thing...keep your enemy off balance: they don't know when, why, where, how and what time this "BOMB" is going to be dropped on them.

Oh and by the way, there's this little thing called GAY HOOKER/FAKE JOURNALIST/GANNON/GUCKERT Gate that's going to start to bubble as well and IMPLODE.

They have ALOT of scandals which they WILL NOT be able to withstand!!!

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING
http://usaworkstories.blogspot.com
[e-mail]

[meganmonkey]

55. I hope you are right and

I appreciate your enthusiasm :)

[alittlelark]

56. So long as they own the media - the myriad scandals will die.

Impeachment.... uh, yeah.

[smoogatz]

70. First, welcome to DU!

Second--ain't gonna be no impeachment, my friend. Not as long as both houses of congress are controlled by the Repubelickers. Third, Bush could get caught taking a ten-inch strap-on from Condi on top of a pile of stolen Social Security checks in the Lincoln bedroom, and the media would call it a lapse of judgment.

[Realityhack]

74. Now that I agree with

There will be no impeachment. Bush can do almost anything and not get called on it by his buddies in the media.
He is a 'washington boy' Clinton wasn't. Thats what made the diffrence from day one.

/ Realityhack

[smoogatz]

77. The Supreme Court, 9/11, a boot-licking congress,

and Karl Rove's intimidation of the press made the difference, my friend.

[Realityhack]

78. was reffering to

the fact that a lot of established washington had it out for Clinton from day one. Bush had a lot more establishment support even after the election disaster. And before 9-11.

/Realityhack

[smoogatz]

86. Bush is a creation of the far right lunatics

who all-but hounded Clinton out of office, yes. And the Democrats in congress were dumb enough and spineless enough to fall for the "reconciliation" "bipartisan" bullshit at first. After 9/11, of course, all bets were off.

[AndyTiedye]

92. Attacking Social Security Was Supposed to be Political Suicide

They obviously believe they are politically immortal.
They may very well be.

They own the voting machinez


and their control of the media automatically gives any election theft plausibility,
as we have already seen in the past THREE national elections.



Besides that, they need the draft to continue the Crusade:


or else they get to find out

[Paranoid_Portlander]

46. Here is the link to the Washington Monthly article. Must read.

www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2005/0503.carter.html The authors propose national service with choice of civilian or military, with a lottery somehow involved. Non-compliance will be punished by being refused admittance to college! Very strange article.

[MADem]

49. Larry Korb is a smart sumbitch

He used to do a radio show on Armed Forces Network back in the 80s--unlike most military propaganda, it was actually informative and covered real concerns.

What do you bet that they emphasize the SELECTIVE nature of the SELECTIVE SERVICE, aka DRAFT?

It won't be a free-for-all this time. It won't be bodies to do everything, from stacking skivvies to messcooking. It will be TARGETED, SELECTIVE, precise, designed to fill very specific shortfalls (one being cannon fodder). Good eyesight for shooting, good training for medical support, from docs to nurses to EMTs...the reach will be targeted, cherrypicked, and everyone who gets a 1A will not go in the first round. Only the healthiest, most fit, with best eyesight, fewest difficulties, will be taken first.

They'll pick and choose carefully, enough people will be let off the hook, and they will hope that the outcry will be muted for this very reason. You don't bitch when they come for the people a hundred miles away, you don't bitch when they round 'em up in the next town, you start getting uneasy when they are in the neighborhood next to yours, and by the time they come for you, it's too damn late...!

[teryang]

89. Korb is that

I had the pleasure of listening to him speak in person once a long time ago about defense economics and he made a lasting impression.

[Bugaboo]

91. 100% agree

They're going to look for the way to do this with minimal political damage, which means a targeted effort. Something that will not affect the population as a whole. Unless you're in the industry, you won't really see the effect. Remember, they're bastards, but they're smart bastards.

Personally, I think they're going to take healthcare workers - Drs., RNs, MAs, EMTs and so on. I also think that it will be hard for healthcare workers to get CO status because they won't be asked to be in combat.

I'll be an RN by the time they do this and it scares the shit out of me. ::deep breath::

[HEyHEY]

50. Oh, so all those young bush voters will have to prove their loyalty

By being FORCED into service

[applegrove]

59. Yeah - because Rove needs war to stuff Americans full of ****. Peace

is bad for sociopathic tools.

[Megahurtz]

64. Oh shit!!!

Everybody run like hell!!!

[obxhead]

76. How does the Canadian

Oh Canada...
oh well i'll learn it.

[adigal]

81. NGMK - Not Getting My Kids

No way. Never.

[harlinchi]

107. That is the acronym of the day, no the year!

I have an 8 year old boy and a 4 year old girl who are safe for a while but I also have a 21 year old daughter. They cannot have her! They are NGMK!

[chlamor]

83. Tomorrow National Day of Student Walkouts-No Draft No Way

March 31 National call to action.

No Draft, No Way!

On March 31, the Selective Service System (SSS) will report to President Bush that it is ready to implement the draft within 75 days. Right now, the SSS is staffing local draft boards, training volunteer registrars to work on high school and college campuses, and streamlining its induction process. They have also gained access to the Department of Education's computer files, to ensure maximum registration.

It is clear that the Bush Administration is preparing for a draft. They are desperate for new soldiers to continue the occupation of Iraq and to prepare for new wars against Iran, Syria, and elsewhere.

At the same time that Bush is looking to youth to supply cannon fodder for his wars, he is busy cutting financial aid and slashing social programs. The same young people that Bush wants to use to fight his wars are finding it harder to pay for their education, find jobs that pay a living wage, or obtain basic necessities, like health care or affordable housing.

It is time for young people, who are already under attack from the Bush Administration, to take a stand.On March 31, the same day that the Selective Service System is reporting that the draft is ready to go, youth all over the country will report that they will refuse to go.
Local No Draft, No Way organizers and other anti-draft activists are planning protests, walkouts, and direct action at recruiting centers, selective service offices, and other sites. We call upon students, youth, and antiwar activists to organize local actions on March 31 to say "No Draft, No Way!"

http://www.nodraftnoway.org /

[MADem]

102. Mind you, I am not--repeat NOT--saying "Don't Bother"

But I invite those participating to look to history. Here's what I remember during the student walkouts, strikes, etc. in the 60's leading up to the draft: it disrupted school, pissed off kids who wanted to get off on time for summer jobs; it pissed off teachers for the same reason; it shut down universities where scholarship kids were afraid to cross the lines to go to classes when they were held; it pissed off the old folk (damn dirty hippies)...and at the end of the day, it did not stop the draft. They all yelled HELL NO, WE WON'T GO and they ended up going when their number came up.

What stopped the draft was the HEARTLAND bitching. Plain looking rural folk, with beehive hairdos, flowered dresses, horn rimmed glasses, guys with short hair and their pants pulled up above their bellybuttons, with white socks and greying high cut ducktails or crewcuts, responding to interviewers with lines like "They killed mah boy" and "Taint worth it, we need to bring them young 'uns home." That, and all of the footage (courtesy of Dan Rather, Walter Cronkite, et.al.) from the war zone, while fighting was actually going on, that showed the grim reality and the young, young faces.

The question is, how do you get the heartland to mobilize? How do you get them out of their small towns and into the streets? How can you get Ma and Pa, and Gramma and Grampa out there marching with you?

We have 24 hour news, but no grim reality....unless you sit down and watch FRONTLINE for an hour. Back then, the censor filter hadn't been screwed on. We got ten minute snippets of absolute shit in and about Vietnam, EVERY NIGHT, on ALL THREE NETWORKS (that's what we had--ABC, CBS, NBC...PBS didn't count, 'cause they didn't have commercials and they went off early, anyway) between stories about Miss America and commercials for Doublemint gum.

I wish those participating all the luck in the world, and all the media coverage you can garner. I fear, however, that some celebrity trial or the standard pap that we see on the TV will totally eclipse your efforts.

[Realityhack]

106. Good points

Reading Chomsky resently his argument was mainly that the draft was ended in vietnam because of large scale civil unrest in the US. The thought was that there would not be enough troops to controll the homeland at the same time as fighting overseas if things got much worse.
(well that was my understanding of the argument - see 'For Reasons of State' for his exact views).

With a much stronger initial oposition to this war I think it would be hard to implement a draft unless there were a major new crisis... ala Hitler?!?

And I admit by design or chance that is posible but I find it hard to beleive that based only on the current situation that a draft would get through... though I admit it is posible and if I were even close to eligable I would be Building up that CO documentation and leaving a bag ready for the trip to Canada :(
It would of course be interesting to see if Canada reversed their most recent policies and started taking refugees from a draft. I imagine they would but have little way of telling based on my ignorance of their current political situation.

/ Realityhack

[VegasWolf]

88. Needed in a WHOLE year? They can wait THAT long? n/t

[MiniMe]

93. And this time they won't be able to use the National Guard.......

as a way to be shipped overseas since the National Guard is serving in Iraq. WWCHD? (What would chimpy have done?)

[Califooyah Operative]

95. which is why they're talking about pulling out - probably in a year,

when they need/have to, it'd be political suicide to reinstate the draft, as much as I think the neo-cons want it and would love it - republicans thinking about getting reelected won't go for it. they're more likely to leave iraq be then do that -in my opinion.


It's been obvious for some time now though that we're spread thin, recruitment is falling, the current situation is unsustanable. Something is going to have to change, and we ought to make sure things don't go in the way of the draft, if we don't fight it it's more likely to happen.

[Carolab]

97. I saw this on C-Span today, with Mark Shields

Mark and Lawrence rocked.

Listen, all, there need to be MASSIVE WORLDWIDE PROTESTS AND STRIKES, AND NOW!!!!!!

[obxhead]

98. Official Lyrics of O Canada!

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/anthem_e.cfm#h2

[Jamison]

101. Shrub needs troops for

his version of Operation Barbarossa when he invades Syria or Iran. If we invade them, Russia would likely intervene, and then we would be screwed.

[Stockholm]

103. Poverty is already a draft n/t

[Borgnine]

104. Could the rumor on the internets be true?

Gasp!

[leftchick]

108. Kick for College Repukes!!!

may they enjoy their visit to Iraq and other Mid-East destinations not yet declared!

:kick:

[JohnnyBoots]

111. who are you kidding

the draft will be rigged and only anti bush/liberals/ democrats and the like will be shipped over to die. It is the neocon under the rug version of political cleansing, or am I just paranoid?

[EVDebs]

109. Article shows runup to war was part of an Iranian spy op

"An intelligence official said Habib also was the INC official who handled most of the Iraqi defectors, including one code-named "Curveball," who provided much of the fabricated, exaggerated and unconfirmed information about Iraqi weapons programs and links to terrorism that President Bush used in making his case for invading Iraq."

Iran used Chalabi to dupe U.S., report says
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001935950_iranchalabi22.html

Iranians fed Chalabi who fed the Office of Special Plans who stovepiped it to the White House...'it was a slam dunk' because it was all a lie swallowed by Bush and company willingly.

If there were ever grounds for impeachment, it will be found in knowingly lying to Congress and subverting the War Powers Act of 1973. Sadly, they will never hold this crew accountable.