While kids die, Muslim clerics call vaccines a U.S. plot

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-measles28.html

KANO, Nigeria -- Accusations by Islamic preachers that vaccines are part of an American anti-Islamic plot are threatening efforts to combat a measles epidemic that has killed hundreds of Nigerian children, health workers say.

Government officials play down the anti-vaccine sentiment, but all the measles deaths have been in Nigeria's north, where authorities had to suspend polio immunizations last year after hard-line clerics fanned similar fears of that vaccine. snip

Polio spreads elsewhere

In 2003, Islamic clerics claimed the United States was using polio vaccine to sterilize Muslims or contaminate them with the AIDS virus. They ordered a boycott in messages disseminated from mosques, in radio broadcasts and by door-to-door campaigning.

The U.S. Embassy called the claims ''absolutely ridiculous.''

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[Zenlitened]

1. Religious fundamentalism kills people. - n/t

[NNN0LHI]

3. So does the kind of mistrust that the Boosh administration has fomented nt

[jdj]

5. I was gonna say, we smallpoxed native americans, so

we kind of have this reputation.

[Gyre]

30. Good observation.

:applause:

[Arkana]

16. Indeed--ALL kinds of religious fundamentalism.

[Caution]

2. The distrust built between us over religious zealotry (on both sides)

continues to destroy lives. At what point do we put aside differences for the common good?

[Bridget Burke]

4. Some DU'ers are against vaccinations....

Don't know whether or not they'll show up in this thread or not.

Too bad that the US government has killed so many Muslims recently. It only supports the arguments of the preachers.

[NNN0LHI]

6. I am not against vaccinations per say

But I am aware that a certain percentage of children die every year from the vaccinations our government forces us to give our children.

If someone were to tell me that there was a 1 chance in ten thousand that my child would die from a vaccination I would ask myself if someone were to hand me a revolver with 10,000 chambers in it with only one bullet in one of them, would I still hold that gun up to my child's temple and pull the trigger? I would need to think long and hard before making that decision. Wouldn't you?

Don

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. Part of my personal thinking would center around whether or not....

...I was being lied to about the number of live rounds in the 10,000 chambers, or the total number of chambers, or both.

[gratuitous]

8. Good point

But if you were also told that if you didn't put the gun to your kid's head, there was a 1 in 1,000 chance he'd die from disease, you might think that 1 in 10,000 looked like much better odds. But parents who made either choice, when notified of all the facts at hand, would at least have the cold comfort of knowing that they had done the best they could for their child.

In any event, the United States' sorry record over the last few years in terms of respecting human rights, avoiding torture, and wielding military might only in extreme circumstances, has put us in a bad position such that even when our government tries to help, it's easy enough to make an outrageous claim of genocide by folks who don't have the best interests of the populace they hope to dominate at heart.

[NNN0LHI]

12. How many kids die from German Measles every year in America?

How many kids die from the German Measles vaccination every year in America?

Don

[seriousstan]

17. Only nine cases of rubella were reported last year, all of them acquired

Only nine cases of rubella were reported last year, all of them acquired outside the USA, said Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Rubella, commonly called German measles, has been eliminated in the USA, but because the disease circulates in other countries, American children still should be vaccinated.

During a global outbreak from 1962 to 1965, an estimated 12.5 million cases occurred in the USA, causing 11,250 newborn deaths and birth defects in 20,000 babies.

That epidemic led to development of the vaccine, which was licensed in 1969, and is now part of the measles-mumps-rubella shot given to babies.

http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9273/24524/413549.html

Simple logic, if you develop a vaccine that is almost 100% effective at preventing infection but has a 1/100,000 chance of killing the child...ALL the deaths will be from the vaccine.

I will not hold the vaccine liable for doing it's job too well.

Severe adverse reactions to the MMR vaccine are very rare - about 1 in 100,000 immunisations. No child has died of such a reaction since MMR was introduced in 1988.
Note: more......

[NNN0LHI]

21. Funny. I read the whole thing. Where does it say how many died from...

...the vaccination in America? I can't find those numbers in the link you provided. Maybe I am missing something there? Perhaps you can cut and paste the portion where it gives those numbers if you don't mind?

Don

[seriousstan]

22. Rubella, commonly called German measles, has been eliminated in the USA

So there were no cases of death from it.

[NNN0LHI]

23. That was the first question. I already knew the answer to that

How many have died from the vaccination is the important question here. If you don't know the answer to that question just say so. Thank you.

Don

[seriousstan]

24. VAERS Report..over the last 10 years the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting

System (VAERS), a national passive surveillance system, has received a total of approximately 112,000 adverse-event reports for all vaccines. Of these 291 unique reports were identified that involved MMR or another measles-containing vaccine. NONE of the reported events were death.

http://books.nap.edu/html/mmr/13-70.pdf

Perhaps it is time for me to stop trying to find something that doesn't exist and instead ask you where you heard there were ANY deaths from the vaccine.

If you don't know the answer to that question just say so. Thank you.

[Pachamama]

15. Additional Point - What if the info provided to you (or not) was that in

that in those 10,000 chambers are some chemicals and compounds (Preservatives that include mercury) that while they won't kill your kid, could lead to other complications, including autism? What then?

These are some of the issues I'm conflicated about when it comes to vaccinations...I recently vaccinated my 1 year old and 5 year old...they have not been sick all year through flu season and then came down both with the flu no one can seem to beat. I'm convinced that the vaccinations weakened their immune systems where they were vulnerable. I also really question the number of vaccinations given all at once and its effects on the immune system. Then there is the issue of the preservatives that contain mercury and other elements that have been linked to autism and other complications. I am re-thinking my thoughts on vaccinations, and I'm not sure that when my 1 year old is due for her next "round" whether I'm going to do it or not....

[vonSchloegel]

26. Actually,

The link between vaccines and autism has been completely discredited. Turns out, it was mostly an invention of a trial lawyer looking to file a class action on behalf of parents of autistic children.

[LeighAnn]

31. Easy for corporate funded studies to discredit claims

especially claims that could cost them billions.

Why do you think Bush snuck in the "no suing for mercury poisoning from the Hepatitis B Vaccine" into the Homeland Security bill at the last minute?

"Doy! It's okay to give your newborn mercury. We just stopped doing it all at once in 1999 because we wanted to. No danger, nothing to see here!"

Oh yeah, aren't there mercury warnings for pregnant women on the sides of tuna cans now? Mercury not being safe for fetuses and what-not?

[vonSchloegel]

32. Yes, but when a respected medical journal

has to apologize for publishing a study, you know there is more than corporate bribery afoot. The only bribery discovered was on the part of the anti-vaccine lobby, as the lead scientist was on the payroll of the trial lawyers.

Meanwhile, that study -- the only scientific study supporting the link between Autism and vaccines, has been retracted by most of the remaining scientists who wrote it. All subsequent studies have proven pretty conclusively that there is no link whatsoever.

There is a hair’s breadth between religious fundamentalists and political zealots. Once the enemy is selected, flimsy evidence is considered overwhelming, and contradictory evidence is labeled conspiratorial. There is little sense in arguing with the faithful.

[meganmonkey]

9. Not to mention the history of Western Gov'ts' and corporations'

medical trials and such (think Depo Provera). I can easily see where the mistrust comes from.

[Warpy]

10. All medicine is risk versus benefit

If you know the consequences of those childhood diseases, you get the kid vaccinated.

Measles can kill. There's a little item called measles encephalitis. One of my friends died from it when I was seven. I was in a coma from it for a week.

Whooping cough can kill, and it takes the average toddler two years to recover from it.

The consequences of polio are horrific. Even when kids recover from it, they get something painful and disabling called post polio syndrome later in life.

Trusting that the minimal risk that sensible parents assume when they get their kids vaccinated will protect your kids is selfish, short sighted and stupid.

[NNN0LHI]

13. See post # 12 and answer that question n/t

[seriousstan]

18. Answered above.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. There are benefits to weigh in as well.

The automatic 'no' could change if the option included the guarantee that the child would be protected, for the rest of his life, against gunshot from any and all sources.

Make it a lot harder.

[knitter4democracy]

29. We've chosen not to do some vaccines based on research.

We've done quite a bit of research on vaccines, and there are a few we are holding off on until the kids are older and their immune systems can handle it.

I feel bad for those parents. They're getting all sorts of stories from all sorts of places, and none of it makes sense. They're scared for their kids and want what's best, but they're not sure what's best anymore. I feel even worse for the kids. They're just pawns in the whole thing. :(

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. So why not just get the vaccines produced in a cooperative

Muslim country?

Would they complain if they medicine came from Egypt or Jordan or Indonesia?

[Bridget Burke]

19. Yes, but US pharmacology companies would not profit.

What's more important, helping kids or helping US corporations?

[gratuitous]

20. Corporate profits, of course -- duh!

But solving that little problem in the field of health care and medical services delivery will take us down the road to {all gasp in horror} socialized medicine!

[ecoalex]

25. Aids started in Africa after the small pox eradication program

How Africa got Aids, he is right to say NO to U.S> vaccines, he saw how healthy people got aids after being innoculated for Small Pox.

Aids appeared in Haiti too after the same program and time frame.

Aids appeared in NYC and San Fran at the relative same time frame.

Both had undergone an aggressive hepatitis B vaccine program , the vaccine also carried the aids virus , made at Fort Dietric Md. , the Army biological agents labs .

Any epidemiologist could connect it all with the time frame of a new virus not being old. , it's not that obscure, both had vaccination programs at targeted populations in the relative countries .

More at www.boydgraves.com

[NNN0LHI]

27. Some foreigners were found guilty of giving AIDS to over 400 kids in Libya

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4081927.stm

Move to cut Libya Aids sentences

A European Union medical delegation is visiting Libya to assess the plight of some 400 children infected with HIV.

In May, five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor were sentenced to death for intentionally infecting them. snip

The six medics, who say they are innocent, blamed the HIV outbreak at a children's hospital in Benghazi on poor hygiene.

The EU lifted an 18-year arms embargo in October, the latest sign of improving relations with Tripoli.

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[hollowdweller]

28. There's a lot of paranoid rumors like this when people are superstitious

an uneducated no matter where they live.