SC turned down feeding tube insertion request on msnbc now

[rodeodance]

[SW FL Dem]

1. CNN confirming no link yet

[rodeodance]

2. Pete Williama one sentence order --the application for stay..denied

meaning it was referred to Justice Kenneday who sent to full court and it was turned down.

[rodeodance]

5. SC does not say why (usual practice)--no dissent votes either

[Skidmore]

21. Wow, who knew? Scalia is part of the

leftist tyrannical activist judge faction.

[merh]

39. Scalia had to - have you read his 1990 concurrent opinion?

Scalia's concurrent opinion from the case of
Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dep't of Health, 497 U.S. 261, where a woman in PVS sought (through her guardians) to terminate her life.

Cruzan v. Director, Missouri Dep't of Health, 497 U.S. 261 at 292:

JUSTICE SCALIA, concurring.

The various opinions in this case portray quite clearly the difficult, indeed agonizing, questions that are presented by the constantly increasing power of science to keep the human body alive for longer than any reasonable person would want to inhabit it. The States have begun to grapple with these problems through legislation. I am concerned, from the tenor of today's opinions, that we are poised to confuse that enterprise as successfully as we have confused the enterprise of legislating concerning abortion -- requiring it to be conducted against a background of federal constitutional imperatives that are unknown because they are being newly crafted from Term to Term. That would be a great misfortune.

While I agree with the Court's analysis today, and therefore join in its opinion, I would have preferred that we announce, clearly and promptly, that the federal courts have no business in this field; that American law has always accorded the State the power to prevent, by force if necessary, suicide -- including suicide by refusing to take appropriate measures necessary to preserve one's life; that the point at which life becomes "worthless," and the point at which the means necessary to preserve it become "extraordinary" or "inappropriate," are neither set forth in the Constitution nor known to the nine Justices of this Court any better than they are known to nine people picked at random from the Kansas City telephone directory; and hence, that even when it is demonstrated by clear and convincing evidence that a patient no longer wishes certain measures to be taken to preserve his or her life, it is up to the citizens of Missouri to decide, through their elected representatives, whether that wish will be honored. It is quite impossible (because the Constitution says nothing about the matter) that those citizens will decide upon a line less lawful than the one we would choose; and it is unlikely (because we know no more about "life and death" than they do) that they will decide upon a line less reasonable.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3307696

[rodeodance]

45. "federal courts have no business in this field;" thanks for the info

[merh]

201. You are welcome.

:hi:

[notadmblnd]

3. they're backing away from it pretty fast now.

I just find myself wondering what's being done while every ones attention is diverted on this mess.

[rodeodance]

7. I do not know what exactly it is that captures my attention--maybe the

absurity of it all?

[0007]

149. I think you have your answer! "The absurity of it all"

It does thrill me to see that junior, Jeb, the GOP and that asshole Tom DeLay go down in flames on this one.

[alphadog]

249. What the hell would you find

thrilling about this whole sad situation? There's nothing thrilling here on any side...

[0007]

256. It is thrilling to see junior & Jeb & Tom DeLay get bitch slapped

Get over it!

[Brooklyn Michael]

38. Ohhhh, not much....

Drilling in ANWR...rigging bankruptcy laws to favor rich corporations...lying about Social Security....stacking their unqualified Hawk-toadies into prominent positions at the UN and World bank....trying to brush the Tom Delay scandal(s) under the rug....The usual....

:argh:

[katty]

210. Me Too - Divert the Attention of the Children

this is sucking up every molecule of attention-so no doubt some real damage is being done elsewhere

[Ganja Ninja]

4. Well if Jeb's going to do something he's going to have to do it ...

soon. He would be the last resort and I don't think he's really going to do anything.

[rodeodance]

10. don't get Jeb any clues!!

[Career Prole]

44. Court? We don't need no steenking court!

[ClintonTyree]

13. He's been doing a lot of chest pounding...............

now we'll see if his method is where his mouth is. I'd love to see him go strutting in there, just to be arrested! Whoo-hooo, Jebbie doing the frog walk! :bounce:

[salin]

19. Radical Religious Right leaders ... DEMANDING

that he, and or congress - take action.

What happens if he and they don't? They worked these folks into the frenzy that they are currently in... do they suddenly say that the "rule of law" that they were trying to upend is now the right thing? Does that make the most extreme start further turning on "the rule of law"?

Frankly I think that something awful is going to happen in the near future as a result of the fanning the flames of the far radical right that Jeb!, then congress and Bush have been doing with this case. I have an ominous feeling about this.

[Skidmore]

23. We get to ride this merry-go-round until

this poor woman dies.

[salin]

30. I think something will happen

afterwards. Radicalized folks - feeling empowered (due to previous govt intervention) feeling now betrayed by govt (for failure to intervene) who don't believe in laws/courts... have been fanned into a frenzy. She dies - that energy doesn't go away.

Keep in mind... some in Congress are already talking about a broader law - not to save Schaivo (won't happen soon enough) but to stop the ability to pull the plug altogether. This will get ugly - they will lose - but will further work these folks up into a frenzy and then a sense of betrayal and futility. THAT is what led to the killing of abortion doctors.

I am no longer talking politics - I mean some incident of no good will arise from this.

[scavok]

43. Something will happen

I think the timing of this tragedy is important. When congress reconvenes in April they will be taking up several highly controversial judicial appointments.

The energy caused by whipping these people into a frenzy is likely to be used to justify going 'nuclear' on the filibuster rules.

Of course our Republican leadership would not stoop to necrophilia now would they?

Sorry... rhetorical question.

[rodeodance]

47. in some ways--thiese decisons can be good fuel for the Dems--Fed

courts are not to intervien--it is a states issue--is the message.

[katty]

213. Radical Right in a frothy passion-they will pay for this

extreme display of GOP talking points run amuck...they are off their heads and maybe it is a good thing to show the country at large just how dictatorial and crazy these cultists are.

[Pachamama]

207. Jeb Bush, the Schindler's & the whole Wingnut Cabal remind me of 4 yr olds

who when they don't get their way and they keeping getting NO, just don't listen and keep on insisting on their position, despite how many judges now (32? 41?) judges at all levels of state, appellate and federal courts have said:


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[rodeodance]

211. it is presential virtue now --Resolve!!!!!!

[katty]

216. Observe World: These RabidRight Dogs are NUTS!

[Pachamama]

231. The AMERICAN CHRISTIAN TALIBAN are trying to take over!

That's what they are! And they are absolutely fucking nuts!

[ClintonTyree]

6. Link........................

and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth... Is THIS the time when the freeps & fundies show goes violent? :scared:

Stay tuned!

[Mandate My Ass]

8. Yea, they'll get violent to show how much they revere life

Whack jobs.

[renaissanceguy]

12. It's never been about life.

It's about control. They want to be able to control everyone else's lives and decisions.


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/466053

[Mandate My Ass]

16. gotcha

I should have used the </sarcasm> tag.

[Brooklyn Michael]

42. Oh, KICK that....

:kick:

[calimary]

Ahh.. the sound of a nail being hit squarely on the head.

It is ALL and EXCLUSIVELY about control.

[rodeodance]

14. I do the violent vile comments to come from the Right. and it will.......

[rodeodance]

20. they still may get some relief in state court or Jeb could do executive

order.

[salin]

22. just posted something similar

I do have an ominous feeling that something violent will take place somewhere in the near future. These folks have been whipped up into a frenzy. That level of energy, mixed with hate, doesn't just dissipate when things do not go their way.

[rodeodance]

26. I am very upset that media is actully allowing this airtime to them

[ClintonTyree]

28. And let's not forget the media's guilt in stirring................

up this hornet's nest. If they had put this much effort into stopping the Iraqi invasion, 1,523 American men and women would be alive right now.
The media should be proud of themselves; fucking ghouls! :grr:

[salin]

35. it is ghoulish.

but they have long gone for the high profile, high emotion. Its todays version of Yellow Journalism.

So many things harkin back to the era prior to the great depression.

[chickenscratching]

54. "its todays version of yellow journalism'

EXACTLY! the muckrakers are back in full form.
:cry:

[salin]

58. weren't the muckrakers the good guys?

exposing the stories that were awful per industrialists (think meat packing) and took on the yellow, jingoistic journalism?

Right now it seems like the current muckrakers are alive on the blogs - but only getting limited readership accordingly.

[chickenscratching]

104. ooops!

thanks salin, my retrieval system in my brain apparantly is out of wack this morn. muckrakers were in fact, the good guys.
for anyone i disallusioned, here's a link about muckraking : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckrakers

[rodeodance]

145. thanks--I too, was wrong

[chickenscratching]

139. although

according to the dictionary: "one who spreads real or alleged scandal about another (usually for political advantage)"

so i guess, justlike anything, there were probably the muckrakers exposing for justice and those doing it for ulterior motives.

[rodeodance]

59. you say mudrakers--yes, that is a great term for the media talking heards

[rodeodance]

77. right on!!

[seventythree]

214. Did you see Bush in his walk on the ranch this am?

looks like he is wearing a Kevlar vest under that shirt! We are hearing of threats -- to Greer, Michael, and we know the fanatic nuts think Bush should just be able to call in the police, so I'm thinking Bush may have been threatened by them, too.

[notadmblnd]

53. you're right. Nothing shows their value of human life

like the spilling of the blood of another.

[salin]

98. Sadly

Rudolf, Koop (sp) and others, worked into a righteous frenzy, did just this.

[rodeodance]

9. no link yet--as it is BREAKING NEWS

[rodeodance]

11. "best hope? now gone

[ClintonTyree]

24. One more Judge in Pinellas County.............

Judge Greer, if he rules against it, Jeb's got to go in and take custody of her. That would open up a HUGE hornet's nest and put this country at the crossroads of a police state.

STAY TUNED!

[bluedog]

15. link here

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20050324/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_schiavo&sid=84439559

[underpants]

17. DROPPED..............THE.................BALL

this ~"what they meant by that law" crap might not fly with the fundies. They wanted payback and they wanted it NOW!

[HeeBGBz]

18. Just saw it on CNN too

Poor CNN reporter scurried so quickly with the report he was wheezing bad.

Why can't these people just let her go. They now want Family Services to take over and suspend the rights of her husband in this matter.

I wish Jesus would come back, snatch Terri up, heal her and watch her say "Screw you guys, I'm going home", leaving all these creepy peeps in the wake letting them dissolve in a fit of their combined delusions.

[rodeodance]

25. the protesters expect Jeb to act now. They are very upset

[lephty]

27. There's the rub

That's exactly the conflict that many religious institutions don't explain. It would seem that the stronger your faith is in the existence of 'heaven', then the more you would be willing to let her go. But the actuality is that the most outwardly 'religious' groups don't want her to go there (maybe a lack of faith ?).

[meganmonkey]

46. I've been thinking the same thing - fear of death

is an interesting factor in all this among the super-religious folks... Seems a little out-of-place for people who believe so deeply in God and the Bible. :shrug:

Welcome to DU, btw! :toast:

on edit: just checked your profile and I realize that you have been here a hell of a lot longer than I have! Post counts can be deceiving...

[HereSince1628]

141. Fear of Death is a core dimension of conservativism

Google

Jost et al. “Political conservatism as motivated social cognition” Psychological Bulletin vol 129, pp 339-375)

and read their profile of political conservatism in a scholarly paper that sent DeLay and other rw'rs on a ballistic trajectory that just failed achieving orbit.

Jost and the other academics who prepared that report really hit the nail squarely on the head. If you want to explore the socio-psychology of conservatism it is a must read.

[lephty]

177. Thanks for the info

Looking at the overview, it certainly looks like an interesting read....

[ProfessorGAC]

189. But Don't They Want To Be Alive For The Rapture

I don't pay that much attention to them, but if i understand the gist properly, those still alive at the rapture are those that are saved. Is that right?

That would explain the fear of death, because the reward, come the rapture, would be lesser if they died before Christ returned.
The Professor

[HereSince1628]

202. Jost et al conducted a review of 80 published scholarly articles

on conservatism their effort was rather broad in scope and sought generalizations beyond what makes American fundamentists tick.

Fear of death came up in studies of many countries separated by many decades.

Within the chaos of what individuals or factions of conservatives believe, death anxiety represents one of the strange attractors that gives persistent and recognizable shape to conservatism.

[ProfessorGAC]

208. Conservatism Yes

I guess i was wondering if the whole fear of death among those that believe that's the precursor to going to God was rooted in some extra special reward for being alive when the rapture happens.

I would go one further on the whole death v. conservatism idea. Fear, in general, is part and parcel. Fear of change, fear of the unknown, fear of the different, et al all are distinguishing personality characteristics that may lead one to a conservative POV. The fear of death would seem to merely be at the top of that list.

What do you think?
The Professor

[meganmonkey]

219. Wow - looks like I have a lot to read while I eat my lunch today!

Here's a link for anyone interested

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hannahk/bulletin.pdf

[lyonn]

250. Thought that many times

through my life, if heaven is so swell what's the problem. Terri doesn't look and ACT like she is likin' where she is now. Bless her. My daughter said today, "please, don't do that to me, I've written this down" I couldn't keep my daughter alive under Terri's conditions. I don't think there is a heaven, so what. Do the best you can do while here for all around you and yourself. It seems to work best that way. The loonies will do something I feel sure, how sad for all.

[slackmaster]

29. Or maybe God could intervene

"Look here you dumbshits, Terri should have died 15 years ago. That's why I made her have a heart attack. Why are you blocking My will?"

:nuke:

[rodeodance]

31. link here now

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7283607 /

[rodeodance]

33. Jebs options are limited - but one never knows what deperate

politians will do.

[ClintonTyree]

32. Yeah, why doesn't Jebus weigh in on this?

He could stop this entire thing right in it's tracks.

Help me Jebus! (doing my best Homer Simpson)

[peekaloo]

36. teehee..."Jeb weigh in".......PumpkinHead hasn't missed many

meals lately......maybe a hunger strike, eh Jebthro.

[rodeodance]

40. I, too, hope the parents find som peace.

[mac56]

158. That's it exactly.

The more you invoke the name of Jesus, the less you actually have to act like him.

[MattNC]

34. I agree with the Court

but my deep sympathies to her parents. They seem to be out of options.

[rodeodance]

37. Judge Greer had to issue an order state troopers to prevent Family

Services of getting custoday of her. Geech, must be very ugly down there.

[rodeodance]

41. msnbc said there was to be another ruling on this about 12 noon

[grumpy old fart]

48. "another ruling" from whom?

[napi21]

49. Yes, Jeb is trying to have Terri put into State custody.

H filed a motion with the State.

They are expecting a ruling on this within the hour.

[rodeodance]

51. thanks, I was confused as what exactly the issue before the court was.

[grumpy old fart]

52. That ruling would have to come from Greer, no?

[napi21]

63. YES, it is comming from Judge Greer.

Aparently there was another request that he vacate his ruling from yesterday that restrained the Child & Families from taking custody of Terri. Greer just issued his ruling on that one and said after further review, his ruling stands.

This is NOT the ruling on Jebs filing from this morning, this is a ruling on the restraining order the Judge issued yesterday.

All this info is comming from CNN live.

[Azathoth]

57. Hahaha Good luck Jeb n/t

[rodeodance]

80. showdown time at HIGH NOON bwt Jeb and Greer!!!!!

[rodeodance]

50. some 'spiritual advisor' saying that the courts are out of control msnbc

[rodeodance]

55. 'parents have to watch the perpetrator do the killing" -says the spiritual

advisor!! whow--why are the media putting this HATE spech on the air--over and over!!

[grumpy old fart]

60. some whacko with a gun in the weeds out there, you just know it....

and these fundies are just fueling the hate....

[rodeodance]

92. don't forget the media is giving them the mike time and time again!!

[seventythree]

218. must be why Bush looks to be wearing a kevlar vest

on the ranch this am.

[goodboy]

56. they prevented a constitutional crisis. Now the pukes are saying, "jeb

bush is our only hope" "we're praying for jeb bush"

They're praying for everyone except mrs. schiavo

[rodeodance]

61. Randall Terry spuing vile now.

[rodeodance]

62. says Gov. Jeb cancelling all appearances --umm...

[rodeodance]

Randell says the Gov has statutory power to follow FL laws--needs to

take in the troopers and go get Terri. says the law offers would honor the request of Gov. Bush. this man is stirring up REAL trouble.

[grumpy old fart]

66. Randall is a VERY dangerous lunatic....just hope Jeb takes the bait

[salin]

76. exactly what I am concerned about

we are moving past politics at the moment. The courts say differently than Terry. Next stop... Terry fuels his radicalized, mobilized and highly volatile folks into "resisting" laws. Done it before with deadly results (abortion doc killings). This is how we fulminate our own domestic terrorists.

[Tansy_Gold]

102. Isn't this the same kind of thing that motivates, um,

terrorists?

Like you, salin, I fear for the future. I have for five years now.

My worst nightmares seem to be coming true.

[salin]

142. "they" are becoming unhinged

and I don't mean the general republican party members... I mean the extremists to whom political pandering has become an artform to get the electoral results needed to pull the rest of the monied coalition to perpetual power. They have been pandered to, exploited, and now - through political opportunism whipped into a mad frenzy - but this time with the belief that the govt can do something - and when it cant... that level of first empowerment followed by betrayel - very violent mix.

On a purely political level - not bad - the more visible and appalling it is - the more folks who have been tolerant of the pandering will become critical and awake. But at the moment - I am taking a back seat on the political - the social front... frightening. And DeLay is right now further whipping things up. Dangerous, Dangerous, Dangerous.

[Tansy_Gold]

223. DeLay is the fanatic, and agreed -- very dangerous

I've always felt that the neocons would establish a solid foothold, then consolidate power through violence. I think they knew there was enough rational opposition to their policy and their platform that not even vote theft and gerrymandering could cover up. I think their control of the media didn't take into account the meteoric rise to power of the internet. Maybe if it hadn't been for the online community, the coup would have been complete two or three years ago, and now the only option remaining available to them is the more violent.

The violence against abortion clinics and abortion providers has been Randall Terry's arena from the beginning, and he has never decried the violence used in his name. His hands, of course, will be as clean as Pilate's.

The fact that ideology (rather than personal anger or other motive) appears to lie behind at least some of the "random" acts of obscene violence in the past few weeks ought to give us pause. We may be faced with our own domestic insurgency.

[libpunkmom]

233. Randall Terry IS a terrorist

he calls for the killing of Doctors and the bombings of abortion clinics, and his whack job followers do it!!

[NashVegas]

147. My God - It's Elian Gonzales In Reverse

Remember how people screamed when Reno ordered police to move in and snatch that kid?

[grumpy old fart]

65. Hope jeb pushes it....and winds up in jail.....

[rodeodance]

67. Judge Gree has already issued order to state troopers not to pick up

Teri (if Social Services ask them to).

[grumpy old fart]

68. Jeb gonna declare martial law? March in with the Talibush militia?

[goodboy]

70. cube rat...isn't it funny when the SCOTUS rules the way they want

they praise them...what now?

[LynneSin]

64. None of the SCOTUS wanted to hear the case including the big 3...

...of Reinquist, Thomas and Scalia:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/24/schiavo/index.html

Kennedy referred the appeal to the other eight justices, who declined to get involved.

Here comes the national guard!!

[rodeodance]

69. msnbc said they (the protestors) believed ther would be a miracle here

today. If Jeb is stupid enough to call out the Guard their might be real blood. I do not want to see that.

[grumpy old fart]

71. where's the rapture, dammit!?!?

[rodeodance]

74. This situation could get dangerous-but i do not see riot gear on the

police officers (like they do with anti-war protesters)

[rodeodance]

75. which reminds me--the media is giving these protestors "star' treatment

granting interviews, no riot gear, lots of air coverage, broadcasting their hate, ect ect

[sescob]

78. Yup...

Like the lady they interviewed on Fox who was on a hunger strike. They made it look as if she was some expert at the scene and let her go on and on about how Terri was not on life support and she was being murdered.

[grumpy old fart]

81. The more exposure the fundie crazies get, the better...IMHO

[NashVegas]

155. I Agree. Completely.

Let's show everyone what these people are all about.

[justsomegirl]

165. Speaking of anti-war...

Do you suppose all these "pro-life" fundies were out protesting the deaths of soldiers and the people in Iraq as well?

Or do they only care about the lives of the brain dead and unborn?

[sescob]

72. I fear something scary is going to happen down there

These protesters are ANGRY. They need to secretly move Terri to some other location. These people are bound to storm the facility!

[grumpy old fart]

73. And when they do, Bush is culpable.....I see juicy lawsuits....

[rodeodance]

88. yes, Jeb is the one in authority who brought up the wrong diagosis

stuff yesterday and stirred up a hornets nest.

[rodeodance]

89. Randell says Greer is a 'dictator judge" put a piece of tape on HIS

mouth like i see on many of the protestors mouths

[sescob]

95. LOL

[salin]

86. I am reminded of Benjamin Smith

very different circumstances - but he tried to be heard with his race talk (passing out pamplets at the U) and was stopped. Started going to the public (throwing his pamphlets onto folks yards) and the community fought back. In the end - feeling desperate and with no avenue - he went on a killing spree "for the cause".

My point - is these folks are in an angry frenzy and completely self-righteous about it. If they feel the laws are futile to them (which they do) one who is closer to the edge or sanity becomes more and more likely to take violent action. It feels ominous.

[Strawman]

157. it's totally ominous

The law doesn't matter to these people. They're on a crusade. The people fighting them aren't just wrong to them, they're the incarnation of evil.

They think the law is unjust so it shouldn't be followed and victory should be achieved by any means necessary. These aren't "process conservatives." They'll put on a show and talk about the Founding Fathers and other shit and act like they're true democratic patriots, but in truth, they'll cast that stuff aside as soon as it conflicts with their fascistic Christian fundamentalist and nationalist agenda.

[salin]

162. The only silver lining

if there is one - and if it doesn't get violent - is they are also laying themselves bare - motives and lack of regard for the law and for others - for the public to see.

[Strawman]

186. yep.

these righties are absolutists, they can only hide their true intentions for so long and the truth is that most people in this country don't think like them and will reject them when they wake up and see these aren't just the nice moderate church going people. most Americans would not be comfortable living in the kind of world they want to create.

[lyonn]

253. beating a drum down the street

My husband has often said that if you get a drum and start down a street beating it you will get a following. Ain't that the truth! Some people just need a cause. As many said here at DU yesterday, what about all those patients and their families in that hospice? Conservatives: what patients?

[LynneSin]

194. Right now the National Guard is the only hope left

and would be the end of the political career for Jeb Bush. I mean, geez if he starts that trend with calling the National Guards - what next? At least when Clinton called them in the Elian case, the courts were all in favor of returning Elian back to his father, which is what the National Guard did. But now if Jeb cause the NG - he's not only going against what all the courts have agreed upon (Including Rehnquit, Scalia & Thomas who all refused to take on this case) but the overwhelming majority of the United States.

At this point it is best to let the woman die with some dignity!

[grumpy old fart]

79. For what it's worth, Dems have been right in staying far away from this

fundie implosion....sit back and watch 'em just go Talibush....let the country see where these fucks really want to take this country...

[rodeodance]

82. I go back and forth with whether the Dems should be involved--it is so

viotile!!!

[rodeodance]

84. Randell talking of the med. diagosis being wrong--they are giving him

more air time AGAIN!!

[Hand]

204. Disgusting...

America's #1 terrorist gets the VIP treatment.

:puke: :nuke: :grr: :mad:

[Occulus]

171. Well, obviously, what with the Reich's gnashing of teeth,

I'd say that it's easy to see what's going on. The Dems in Washington and elsewhere are letting them hang themselves. It's been sort of fun to watch, actually.... notice how there haven't been a whole lot of attacks from the fundy right on Dems over this? That's because they don't have anything to attack with.

If I may mix phrases, this has become the Reich's cause celebre du jour and I think they'll be eating the leftovers of this for a long, long time to come. This has everyone talking and everyone's looking at the "moral majority" and their response, and finding them wanting in the extreme.

Most of the country believes this woman should be allowed to die. It's only the "pro-life" "culture of life" "God fearing" "Christians" who believe her soul should continue to be held hostage (and, by the way, those quotes were intentional, as these people are nothing of the kind, but claim they are paragons of virture).

Be kind to them as they fall upon their faces, but don't extend a hand to help them up. They bloody deserve to lay in the mud over this...

[sescob]

83. MSNBC letting RT speak AGAIN...

here we go

[rodeodance]

85. oh dear Randell--trying to explain "how it really is" to the reporter.

[sescob]

87. He just said the judge was arrogant

[salin]

101. ironic - he of abetting killings

of others... when in the path of his decided view of "righteousness".

[grumpy old fart]

90. Reporters giving any context on Terry, his radical abortion clinic attack

past, etc...?

[rodeodance]

94. nope-they are just letting him spuew his vile!!

[AngryOldDem]

91. Is it just me, or does anyone else's stomach roll

whenever that guy gets airtime?

[sescob]

93. It's not just you...

the man makes me ill

[rodeodance]

96. Selos--"she is dying" being cared for wonderfully by hospise.

the is Micheael Shiavo's lawyer saying this.

[rodeodance]

97. state law enformentment (Jebs state troopers) vs the law enforcement

officers. There may be a show down soon if Jeb does something stupid

[grumpy old fart]

100. I know it's wrong of me, but I hope Jeb does just that....show his true

talibush colors...

[rodeodance]

105. yes, i guess i agree with you (as long as no guns are drawn)

[grumpy old fart]

Would the Chimp send in the National Guard?.....lol

[AngryOldDem]

156. Hate to say it

but I don't think anything is outside the realm of possibility now. Bush has been rebuffed. So have the Repubs and the Religious Right. None of these folks take losing gracefully.

How this plays out will tell us all how much the rule of law still counts in this country. Will Jeb make an end run around the courts? I would not be the least bit surprised. And if that fails...who the hell knows.

As much as I hate to write it -- and I know others have made the same statements here -- I am praying that nature intervenes in the interim and spares this country a potential crisis of judiciary vs. executive. That is the LAST thing we need right now, both as a country and a society.

[rodeodance]

99. I just did some deep breathing to settle my BP!!

[grumpy old fart]

103. Will Jeb have his George Wallace moment?

showing up with the troopers, like Wallace on the school steps....

[sabra]

106. MSNBC LBN: U.S. Supreme Court rejects appeal of Terri Schiavo's parents

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7283607/

edit: link available

[SheepyMcSheepster]

107. so what will they attempt now?

[Clovis Sangrail]

113. the World Court

...oh... wait a minute....

[tekriter]

116. Nah, they'll take it to the UN...

right?

[elperromagico]

124. If the UN doesn't want to become the League of Nations,

it will pass a resolution calling for the restoration of Ms. Schiavo's feeding tube.

[dhinojosa]

138. Would that be weird, the UN coming though for republicans?

[shantipriya]

129. Next Appeal!!!

Now they should try UN!!!I think they should have Bolton & Jesse Helms go to UN!!!

[zipplewrath]

134. I'm worried

When they started this whole mess last Friday I was worried. This was a desperate act by desperate people. Jeb is winding up again. It's almost become personal for him. Reading between the lines he seems to be looking for a way to act directly, outside of the courts authority. He has little to fear from acting, the republican legislature will never impeach him. He suggests he has no further political ambitions. And then there is the Operation Rescue bunch. There is virtually no limit to what they might try. And really it only takes about one idiot to mess this thing all up. I can think of several "worse case scenarios" that I can't even mention for fear of giving some nut a really crazy idea.

[Az_lefty]

135. I agree

they've whipped their fanatic base into a frenzy and hit a roadblock. There's no telling what will happen now. This is becoming scary.

[salin]

159. me too

feels very ominous... beyond the political... into the violent.

[underpants]

108. See see what they MEANT with that law was......

Trying to cover before the fundies revolt on them.

BOTTOM LINE-The Repubs dropped the ball.

[AllegroRondo]

109. No surprize there

they refused to hear the previous appeals, no compelling reason to change now.

[cascadiance]

133. I saw this coming. Supremes rarely hear a case they don't rule on!

There's been only three cases that they've heard and not ruled upon, the last one being in the late 70's about corporate "personhood", where the evidence brought before them after they agreed to hear it made it difficult to rule on without backing up a wrong original decision or potentially breaking our economy by reversing it. Schiavo's case wasn't going to happen unless all of our courts below them were somehow doing the wrong thing. They knew that they were being drawn into a fire if they heard it...

[sabra]

110. Link is available now...

[underpants]

112. MSNBC link here

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7283607/

[dhinojosa]

111. Move her to Mexico

My guess, any bets?

[TahitiNut]

117. Cuba

:evilgrin: Call her Elianette.

[Hand]

132. She'd probably get better care in Cuba... nt

[doodadem]

121. They can't move her anywhere

Because, thank goodness, her husband is still her legal guardian. Unless they kidnap her, which would take the assistance/complicity of the hospital folks. Doubtful.

[denese]

126. They just might kidnap her

The right wingnuts are calling on Jeb to do just that.
They want him to move in with the Department of Children and Families and forcibly reinsert the tube.
I would not put it past them.
I have contacted Jeb to let him know I think that would be a terrible abuse of his power.
I hope more people do the same. Part of our problem (in my opinion) is that the other side is much more vocal than we are.
Denese

[fryguy]

114. so i guess all thats left if for Jeb to call out the National Guard

and take "possession" of her......

[Rose Siding]

115. Time for Congress to go back to work

The Poor Man has the new schedule (wink)...

HOUSE AGENDA...

8:00 AM - Morning prayer

8:15 AM - Morning snake-handling, demonic possession, speaking in tongues, exorcism, and projectile pea-soup vomiting

8:30 AM - Recess while Tom DeLay empties Terri Schiavo’s bedpan

8:45 AM - Examine top-secret satellite photos of Mark McGuire’s ass for tell-tale track marks

9:15 AM - Revise House ethics rules so that the Majority Leader can continue to serve from inside the gas chamber

and he goes on...
http://thepoorman.net/?p=44

[elperromagico]

118. Problem is, this likely ends nothing.

I suspect the GOP have further tricks up their greasy sleeves...

[durablend]

123. I hope they try a kidnapping...

Let the mask crumble off completely...show the country what scum they really are.

[elperromagico]

125. Maybe a Jessica Lynch-style rescue,

complete with footage taken with night vision cameras...

I hope the networks have their "Operation Schiavo Freedom" graphics ready.

[moobu2]

119. Whatcha gona do Jeb? This should be very interesting

Alan Keyes is going to give a speech soon and demand Jeb intervene..

[TahitiNut]

120. "Let us prey, hard brothers and sisters."

I guess they use Viagra. :evilgrin:

Disclaimer: This is a verbatim quote of the bearded fundie with the bullhorn in Pinellas at the nursing home.

[peekaloo]

128. Scary. After whipping the natives into such a frenzy where will they

direct that anger/hostility once she passes?



Do you suppose he may be a Jim Jones type? :evilgrin:

[Viking12]

136. Well, they do know what the kool-aid tastes like....

:evilgrin:

[HeeBGBz]

122. What a circus

Watching the RW nutjob reporting the news and then leading the group in prayer. I found it sickly amusing how the cameras swung to the protestors to record the prayer reaction/whatever. What a freaking zoo.

It's all in Jebya's court now. Go Jebby Go. Take a big bite of that hot potato.

[Seabiscuit]

127. The Repukes really shot themselves in the foot this time.

In three short days this outrageous piece of purely political legislation has become the shortest-lived law in U.S. history. As it only gave standing to the parents of Schiavo, and since they exhausted their judicial remedies with the U.S. Supreme Court's denial of a hearing, and applies to no one else in the world, it is now defunct.

Guess the theocratic Repukes really miscalculated on this one - they don't have as many friends in the federal judiciary as they thought they did.

So what's Jeb gonna do??? The Florida legislature has already refused to touch this hot potato, and isn't likely to help the Repukes any further.

So are the Repukes in Congress going to attempt to ram through a bill which overturns the landmark Supreme Court decision upholding the right to die, the right to prepare a living will requiring such life support systems to be removed once a person has no chance of recovery, and which upheld states' rights in this regard? If so, they won't just be shooting themselves in the foot, they'll be amputating both legs. The Supreme Court won't stand for such legislation no matter who's on the bench.

Guess what, Repukes - you're fucked.

[K8-EEE]

144. Yeah They Got The "Base" All Pissed Off At Jeb & GWB!!

ON FR they are prattling on about how Jeb could "save" Terri and he's letting her die etc.....boy I bet they rue the day they came up with this hairbrained scheme!! Not to mention, every familiy who has somebody on a feeding tube will appeal to GWB for the government to pay for it, socialized medicine NOT a fave thing to the "culture of lifers." They luuuuv life but if you try raising their taxes one fucking cent to PAY TO MAINTAIN IT...they don't love it THAT much.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

130. Almost universal media spin...

They keep talking about the Schindlers' "struggle to keep their daughter alive" and mention Michael Schiavo only in passing -- as though he were a roadblock to be overcome. I have yet to read a MSM article on this subject that talks about Michael Schiavo's efforts to allow his wife to die with dignity and views the Schindlers' action as a ghoulish attempt to keep their daughter alive against her will.

[1gobluedem]

229. There's one in the Detroit Free Press this morning

It's pretty sympathetic to Michael Schaivo: www.freep.com

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

252. Hate linking to www.freep.com

even if it's not THOSE Freeps.

But even in this example, they don't mention that the woman has a husband until the ninth paragraph.

The lead ought to be: "Michael Schiavo yeseterday won another round in his effort to allow his already brain-dead wife to die with dignity."

Seen it?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

131. I Hope You Will Finally Rest in Peace, Terri (eom)

DTH

[rodeodance]

143. Iralian newspapers give Terri more lines that Pope --msnbc report now

[rodeodance]

146. the Vatican's stregic comments were not helpful at this moment but I

can understand why they would insert their comments now.

[brooklynite]

137. Official Supreme Court ruling (short and sweet)

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorders/032405pzr.pdf

[rodeodance]

140. here is the one sentence SC ruling

(ORDER LIST:544 U.S.)
THURSDAY,MARCH 24,2005
ORDER IN PENDING CASE
04A825 SCHIAVO,EX REL.SCHINDLER V.SCHIAVO,MICHAEL,ET AL.
The application for stay of enforcement of judgment pending
the filing and disposition of a petition for writ of certiorari
presented to Justice Kennedy and by him referred to the Court is
denied.

[rodeodance]

148. saying Bush was informed of SC decision (live report from Crawford)

[Rufus T. Firefly]

150. Supreme Court denies Schiavo parents' appeal

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court rejected Thursday an appeal by the parents of Terri Schiavo to have their severely brain-damaged daughter's feeding tube reinserted.

The court, without comment, refused to intervene after the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals twice Wednesday turned down a plea from the parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/24/schiavo/index.html

[GodlessBiker]

151. So, will Jeb now go in with guns-a-blazin'?

[amber dog democrat]

152. it really comes down to put up or shut up, doesnt it?

I suspect hizonner will do neither.
So if Terry S is martyrd what then ? Will we see feeding tubes on the end of rosaries?

[calimary]

153. It does put him in a hot spot. All the fundie nuts will be turning to him

and saying "WELL?" Painted yourself straight into a nice tight corner now, didn't you, jebbie-poo? Warning: you stick your neck out far enough, it'll reach the chopping block.

Frankly, I'd love to see that. I hope he does get carried away with power and the sake of proving a point. "Because I COULD."

[H2O Man]

154. This is so strange.

These people have no respect for the courts. They have no respect for the US Constitution. They lack human decency.

[rodeodance]

160. Bush: "the legislative and executive branch did the right thing--we will

see what the judicial branch wil do" words a few days ago from Bush (in Waco)... Well, wonder what he really thinks NOW that the judicial branch has spoken!!

[grumpy old fart]

161. Welcome to the Talibush, great that this is getting such exposure..

[rodeodance]

164. Grreet;s dicision in about 5 minutes--stay tuned

[Karenina]

166. Thay have no respect.

[skippythwndrdog]

163. A sad day.

Courts stand by and let a woman be killed.

[CornField]

167. Just her house -- she moved out 15 years ago.

[rodeodance]

168. sad day--when HATE can be broadcasted over and over on TV

[skippythwndrdog]

170. ?

??? What?

[grumpy old fart]

169. ????????

Great day. Rule of Law upheld over Talibush fascism....

[rodeodance]

172. Greer does not allow Family Services to take charge of Terri S.-good as

This is the 12 noon decision that we were awaiting.

[rodeodance]

173. I hope Jeb does not do something foolish now that Greer has rules not

to have the state of Florida to take custoday of Terri.

[grumpy old fart]

175. Hope he does....'cause it'll be illegal.....perp walk time....

[grumpy old fart]

174. Thought he already ruled on that...

[rodeodance]

176. there was one last night by Greer to tell police not to pick up Terri if

Family Services (who apparently have this authority to do so) demands it. It was 'temporary" until today official order.

[Seabiscuit]

179. How sad were you

when Congress stood by, passed the Iraq War Resolution in October, 2002, and let over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women and children die????

[Massachusetts]

187. Excellent statement that puts everything in the right context.

[Bouncy Ball]

206. I went home from work and cried my ass off.

For hours. I was so distraught, thinking of all those IRaqis who were going to die and they did NOTHING to us.

It STILL tears me up to this day. We are STILL there.

[Seabiscuit]

254. I went to a candlelight vigil dedicated to all the innocent Iraqis who

were about to die.

[ernstbass]

178. I fear for Judge Greer's safety

He is a target for any right wing nut job out there.

[rodeodance]

180. yes, I think of what happened in Chicago--these people here are very

riled up right now!!

[grumpy old fart]

181. Is there anything Jeb can do, legally?

[rodeodance]

182. he has the exectutive order option that he can do.

[rodeodance]

183. Fl. Sen. (Repup) just said that since their bill failed yesterday, they

will not go forward with any other bills as they do not have the votes.

[rodeodance]

184. the Sen. was making an analogy to DNA evidence showing that some

prisoners are now going free. It is a stupid analogy--as medical science is not going to know how to grew brain tissue, neurons, etc etc in 20 years!!

[grumpy old fart]

185. And their hero Scalia says actual innocence make no difference....

Leonel Herrera was executed in Texas on May 12, 1993, after the Supreme Court refused to hear new evidence of actual innocence. In that case, Justice Antonin Scalia said: "Mere factual innocence is no reason not to carry out a death sentence properly reached."

[rodeodance]

190. my god--unbelievable he said that!!

[rodeodance]

188. I am cofused as Fox is still talking about what Greer will do (Jeb request

to take over care of Terri). I thought this was settled!!

They say decision to come in half hour or so.

[rodeodance]

192. yup--fox said it again--Jeb trying once last option (coming up)

now no grief please--i am just listening to figure what is going on.

[rodeodance]

196. The hearing ws delayed-Greer--will issue a written rule as to whether

or not the State will get custody of Terri.
They said the fuling was delayed (gave no reason)

[grumpy old fart]

198. Smart move.....the more time, the closer to moot the question will become

[rodeodance]

199. they said they expect this ruling within an hour or two

[grumpy old fart]

200. hmmm, and tomorrow's good Friday....

[grumpy old fart]

191. Executive orders are not all constitutional....and given that he would be

doing it in the face state and federal court rulings against him, and lack of state congressional support....hmmmm

[grumpy old fart]

193. Unfortunately, all too believable...

[rodeodance]

195. I think Jeb is having some 'reflective time and thinging abou how

stupid an ex. order would look in the face of all the rulings (as you point out).

[grumpy old fart]

197. Imagine he's having some heavy political discussions right now..

Just how much does he want any future national career. With 85% of the country against this Talibush fiasco, gonna be an to label pumpkinhead as too unstable to lead.....

[rodeodance]

203. would love to see him notched down a few degrees!!

[BronxBoy]

205. Actually

I fear more for Michael, the husband. Something happens to him and custody probably reverts back to the parents. Game over.

I sure hope he has a lot of protection around him and his family

[saigon68]

212. A Jack Ruby moment may be coming soon

Hey Schiavo wear your vest.

[rodeodance]

215. who are you referring to? with your comment?

"Hey Schiavo wear your vest."

[rodeodance]

220. forget my question--I get it now (slow day)

[saigon68]

222. Michael of Course

Who did you think I meant.

He is a dead man walking if one of these whack Fundies pulls out a gun and "kills the murderer"

One of the Bush Criminals will then pardon the "FUNDIE AVENGER"

[rodeodance]

224. sorry, just forget it--my mind went blank

[saigon68]

227. That's OK--- Its such a bizarre story with so many twists

I fear it is not over. Some nut is going to do something VERY scary.

[rodeodance]

217. Randell says "there is be Hell to Pay" if Terri dies (cnn just said this)

He is more than sitrring up trouble--he is putting ideaa in these protestors (and those nuts hiding in the woodwork)!!!
Doesn't the media recoginize that there is a volitile situation going on where someone could get hurt or worse?

[katty]

221. Let them hang themselves! They'll reap what THEY SOW

the world watches America in laughter and pity at what we have regressed to-networks have become the theatres of the absurd.

[sescob]

230. ugh...what a freakshow!

[lyonn]

255. Of course they do

The media loves this violence stuff, you know wars, killings, etc. Sick stuff going on.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

209. Supreme Court Rejects Terri Schiavo Case

AP) - The U.S. Supreme Court turned down Terri Schiavo's parents Thursday, declining to intervene to keep the brain-damaged woman alive, but their supporters pressed a last-ditch effort in Florida courts. Justices didn't explain their decision, which was received by somber supporters outside the woman's hospice with bowed heads and prayers for help from Gov. Jeb Bush. "The governor is disappointed (at the Supreme Court decision) and will continue to do whatever he can within the law to save Terri's life," Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre said. More...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Assisted_Suicide

[rodeodance]

225. Bush has very little to say--rather a repeat from the first decison failur

he is erring on the side of life.

[rodeodance]

226. Jeb is ;very disappointed" and will continue to do whatever he can with=

in the law--msnbc

[kittykitty]

228. Why don't they just take her home and care for her themselves. Possible if

they started a fund to Care For Terry. All those vigilers, congressmen and women who voted to keep her live, all the evangelical Christians, and the right-to-lifers could just make automatic contributions on their credit cards of say $20 a month, and they'd have enough to care for her at home.

She's on Medicaid now. Wouldn't they pay for home care? My son's girlfriend cares for 2 children who have to be tube fed. The parents don't pay for this care.

What's the problem? Don't her parents want to do everything that could be done?

[rodeodance]

232. Michael S. is the legal guardian--i doubt if he would give permission

to parents to take her home-given the bad blood between them.

[kittykitty]

234. If $ isn't an issue with him, why doesn't he just give them custody

and divorce her and get on with his life. They'd be happy and could spend every moment with her.

[rodeodance]

235. At least 2 other motions yet to come today (msnbc)

[rodeodance]

236. you will have to ask Michael--anything else would be speculation

[rodeodance]

237. Ruling: Soc Serv. and Jeb do NOT have right to take care of Terri S.

news flash

[rodeodance]

238. MSNBC just announced the ruling (Greer)

[rodeodance]

239. Parents to go back to Fed court this afternoon--want complete review

[rodeodance]

240. the new suit will be about the wrong diagnosis that Jeb was touting

yesterday.

[rodeodance]

247. new Fed suit will go to Whittomore again she said. oh my

[rodeodance]

241. they said the judge refused to hear Gov. Bush arguments for custody

It was a far fetched suit in the first place.

[rodeodance]

242. Time for Jeb to respectfully step aside AND tell the protestors to go home

This is voiltile situation and Jeb has the responsibily to avoid any more damage (physical or otherwise) at this point.

[rodeodance]

243. "obsession with killing Terri" Rep. Smithe R, NJ said this!! about Greer

[rodeodance]

244. it is 'judicial tryranry" says Smith. He is red faced and angry and is

bound to stir up the protestors!!

[rodeodance]

245. Smith says Greer's goes against 'disability rights"--very infammatory

language by him (almost thought that it was DeLay chatting)

[grumpy old fart]

246. The point is, Michael, and the court, are doing what terri wanted....

That's what the court battles decided. The court is carrying out what it has determined, from hearings and testimony, is what Terri would have wanted. It's not a matter of no one willing to take on the responsibility for the care, it's about Terri not wanting to be keep on a tube as a veg.

[rodeodance]

248. Bingo!!

[lyonn]

251. Michael's morals may be the reason

If marriage is special and he loved her and she told him her wishes then wouldn't it be honorable and moral to stay married to protect her wishes under these critical circumstances?

[Old and In the Way]

257. Or maybe not.

You have a lot of gall to question his morals. Or do you have personal knowledge of Mr. Schiavo's morals? Seeing that you call him by the familiar Michael, I assume you know him directly? You wouldn't be bearing false witness and slandering him would you?

Tell you what. He was married to Terri, not you or I. You have no frigging clue what they decided personally about their life decisions. If he is a lying hypocrite and wants to do her off....he'll be held accountable when he meets his Maker, right? But if he is right and he is doing the moral thing in honoring Terri's wishes....then it is the hypocrites, political opportunists, and ethically challenged zealots who are truely the immoral players in this whole sad episode. You choose which side you want to believe....instinctively, I'll always oppose the DeLays, the Bushes, and the Randalls because I know they are the worst kind of political opportunists and moral degenerates. I see Schiavo as every married man or women who could be confronted with this situation...and his actions have been validated by the Courts every step of the way.

Yes, he has a real special marriage with Terri. I wonder how many righteous people would maintain the commitment that he did through the years? In spite of the fact that his marriage ended 15 years ago.