CBS: Political Fallout Over Schiavo Law (Bush Approval 43%)

[RamboLiberal]

Congressional leaders have insisted their only motivation in getting involved in the Terri Schiavo case was saving a life. But Americans aren’t buying that argument, a CBS News poll finds.

An overwhelming 82 percent of the public believes the Congress and President should stay out of the matter.

Just 13 percent of those polled think Congress intervened in the case out of concern for Schiavo, while 74 percent think it was all about politics. Of those polled, 66 percent said the tube should not be inserted compared to 27 percent who want it restored. The issue has generated strong feelings, with 78 percent of those polled -- wheter for either side of the issue -- saying they have strong feelings.

Public approval of Congress has suffered as a result; at 34 percent, it is the lowest it has been since 1997, dropping from 41 percent last month. Now at 43 percent, President Bush’s approval rating is also lower than it was a month ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/23/politics/main682619.shtml

[deadparrot]

1. LMAO.

All our government officials who had a part in this should be ashamed.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Dems now need to seize the momentum on judges and filibusters

[sasquatch]

8. They need to start making attack ads to use in '06

And fuck all that politeness shit, in politics there are winners and there are the polite.

[demosincebirth]

13. We democrats have to be civil...don'cha know!

[sasquatch]

18. *Throws chair in your general direction*

:grr: :argh:
GAWDDAMMIT, I AIN'T LOSIN' NO MORE ELECTIONS!!!
:argh:

[calimary]

48. No Ef'ing Shit! I posted this suggested commercial earlier - whaddya think

I think our party should start campaigning for 2006 at THIS VERY MOMENT.

Imagine a commercial that shows numerous headlines that describe public opinion polls - 68 percent say Congress overstepped its bounds, 70 percent say government shouldn't butt in on this, 80 percent saying they'd want their own choice... you get the picture.

Then, the next frames show tom delay and sensenbrenner and santorum and a few assorted other famous butt-in-skis (MUST be a few really choice targets for the next election cycle).

Then the voice-over: "Are you happy with the way these people are behaving, wanting to bring the government down onto YOUR family's choices? Maybe it's time to give these folks a time-OUT."

Then the final frame has a simple graphic and no sound - "Vote Democrat in 2006."

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There could be a second one, even more wicked:

Imagine a commercial that shows numerous headlines that describe public opinion polls - 68 percent say Congress overstepped its bounds, 70 percent say government shouldn't butt in on this, 80 percent saying they'd want their own choice... you get the picture.

THEN: file footage of Ronald Reagan during whatever campaign speech it was wherein he said "Get the Government Off Your Back."

Then, the next frames show tom delay and sensenbrenner and santorum and a few assorted other famous butt-in-skis (again the choice targets for the next election cycle).

Then the voice-over: "THIS is what the GOP has come to. Are you REALLY okay with this? Isn't it about time for a change?"

Then the final frame has a simple graphic and no sound - "Vote Democrat in 2006."

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This is being handed to us on a plate. We're IDIOTS if we blow it.

It is NOT too early to approach the battlefield for 2006. We're not naming names. We’re not exploiting Terri Schiavo by name. We could honestly look critics in the face and bat our eyelashes in all innocence and say – do you see ANY pictures or any mention of Terri Schiavo in there? What ARE you talking about, pray tell? This is about government intrusion! We're just showing pictures. VISUALS. They're FAR MORE POWERFUL. FAR MORE.

It is time. NOW.

It is time to start.

It is time to start - to POISON THE WELL.

If we start now, gently, subtly, but resolutely, the seeds will be planted.

If we start planting the seeds now, they'll have taken root VERY securely by the time we need them to be producing fruit.

But we need to start this NOW.

POISON THE WELL.

From DU thread:
KOS: Schiavo Splinters GOP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1680277#

[sasquatch]

68. I think the ads should be more focused on Social Security

They should show an old couple living on the streets while a millionaire stock trader is smoking a cigar in his office implying that he made his fortune by stealing from old people.

[calimary]

70. Actually that would be a SECOND series of ads.

Great idea!

[Lindacooks]

86. I LOVE those - send them to Howard Dean and Moveon.org!!

I'd also love one that has a shot of a doctor saying something about a bad diagnosis, nothing they can do, then slowly panning back to see Delay, Bush* and Fat-Face Bush*, Frist, and Santorum sitting in the office with you. Then a voice-over saying 'do you really want these people in the doctor's office with you??'

[calimary]

89. HA-cha-cha! That would be a THIRD series of commercials!

BTW I DID send the first set of ideas to Democrats.org. Don't know whether they'll get anywhere, but they've been sent.

[manly]

90. poisoning the well

I agree with you, 100%. Now is the time to go and get the bastards! Hit 'em when they're vulnerable!!!

[Algomas]

99. This is great, Calimary...

I think it would be more effective to use a panel of ten average Americans reacting to the outrages shown in the ads. Instead of percentages or statistics use simple language like "Eight out of ten Americans are angry about republican criminal activity" or "Only four out of ten Americans trust the president" or "Eight out of ten Americans are afraid of the government".

Of course, the Dems would have won had they been this aggressive during the campaign. Their complicity in Bush's crimes is a huge part of our problem. Because they feed from the same trough as their competition, they are hesitant to squawk. I think their feeble strategy is to hope that Bush hangs himself with all the rope they have given him.

The entire herd of braying jackasses need to have their feeding tubes disconnected!!

[calimary]

132. Sounds like a FOURTH series of ads to me. I mean, look: do you

realize how many times we can hit this point and MAKE this point? And drive it home with the voters? And the people ALREADY PREDISPOSED, if the polls are to be believed, toward siding with US and NOT the republi-CONS? And the polls are all - repeat - ALL so lopsided in favor of the government butting out that there's no way they can be spun or fudged with or Diebolded. There's no wiggle room - AT ALL (probably why you haven't heard much attempt at poll-spinning lately - even the bad guys realize they can't put lipstick on this pig). This just makes my point. There are just almost too many opportunities to use this to our advantage, in a graceful, tasteful way that doesn't name names and drag some poor near-brain-dead woman with calcified lobster claw hands and vacant eyes into the mess yet again. But it does point the finger at those who would do so.

[katsy]

44. I've had a problem...

with the lack of a continuous message. The Dems should put those ads on NOW... and again after the noise settles down... and again the next time the pukes try anything.

Just my opinion... but the Dems should be inviting themselves into every living room via tv all the time.

[GHOSTDANCER]

85. Speaking of attack ads, You see these? Puke warning continue at own risk.

<http://www.progressforamerica.org/> fuqin disgusting

[woosh]

124. The only thing worse than the Republicans and Bush exploiting this

Would be the democrats. They need to stay out of it. They're self-destructing.

[sasquatch]

136. I'm sorry but that is the only way you win elections in this country

[jayfish]

54. Bush Wants To Appoint Activist Judges...

who will take life and death decisions out of the hands of Americans. That should work, quick and easily understandable.

Jay

[qanda]

3. Good! They *should* suffer as a result.

It's absolutely ridiculous what they did and I'm one who is torn about the whole situation. The only thing I know for a fact is that Congress and Bush* should have stayed out of it.

[NashVegas]

4. I'm Starting to View This Story as a Gift

Maybe this is what it finally takes for the reality-based community to realize how much a threat the fantasy-based community is to all of our lives and liberty.

[truthisfreedom]

34. from heaven?

heh.

[WhiteTara]

135. God speaks in various ways!

I'd say *chimpy got a howler!

[rodeodance]

72. yes, we could get some political capital from this (maybe)

[Inland]

5. 13% means even the ignorant and conservative see thru it.

[AlCzervik]

looks like they're on to Delay here:

WHY DO YOU THINK CONGRESS GOT INVOLVED?

They care about Terri Schiavo
13%
Trying to advance political agenda
74%

Oh America, are you waking up finally???

[chomskysright]

57. The whole thing screams; RED HERRING ALERT!!

[amber dog democrat]

6. I guess they over reached

this time. And the funny thing is Repugs have the House, Senate , the SCOTUS ( sort of ) , and the White House... and this is the best they can do ?

[don954]

7. can we say BACKFIRE!

gota love that..

[rzemanfl]

9. We need to tie these right-wing nutcases around the necks of

the Republican party. The party of the haves, the have mores and the fruitcakes. The best part is that the fundies will go ballistic when the Repugs don't "save" this woman and blame them for it.

[0007]

23. I think they're already going bananas......and with Roe vs Wade

being ignored, junior's numbers will soon be in the low twenty's

[acmavm]

10. How many democrats voted to have this go before the federal courts?

There's a bunch of dems who don't look so good either. Wasn't it 43? Or was that the number of dems who voted for the bankruptcy law? No, that I believe was something like 14.

We have a bunch of weasel shits in our party too. We need to weed these weak kneed panderers out of our party.

[ElectroPrincess]

21. I want to know their names (43) - help make sure they're NOT re-elected

[More Than A Feeling]

25. This is a strategy, and a smart one.

Noone thinks this is a good idea, but if you threw partisanship into it, people who don't like democrats would feel obliged to defend the actions of the GOP. This way, they can question without fear.

The GOP is screwing this one up on their own quite nicely, there is no reason to step in and try for more, and perhaps overreach ourselves. We get all of the benefits, and don't have to make any of the effort.

In other words, working against dems because of this issue is silly.

[ElectroPrincess]

26. I feel no guilt for rallies against "gutless wonder" DINOs ...

There should be no assumed loyalty to the corporate crones who comprise much of the Democratic Leadership Positions. The Democratic Party needs to return to it's roots or it will continue to fade into obscurity.

[More Than A Feeling]

77. Great, fine, wonderful.

I'm just saying there might be more to it than that, and that a knee jerk "destroy them all" reaction might not be appropriate if this ends up being a winning strategy, as it looks like it will be. The GOP is getting so much crap for this, and Dems don't have to lift a finger.

[ElectroPrincess]

107. We (Democrats) don't have a ghost of a chance until the DINOs come clean

[primavera]

130. Umm, but a whole bunch of Dems supported it too

How does it make us look good to be just as stupid as the Repukes? In the House only 58 representatives voted against this, with 203 votes in favor. I don't know how many of those 203 were Dems, but there aren't 203 Repukes in the House, so a fair number of Dems have to have gone along on this. If supporting this garbage makes Repukes look bad, what makes you think supporting it is going to makes Dems look good?

[More Than A Feeling]

138. We aren't even going to be noticed on this one

The GOP is so gung ho about this they will get all the blame. Noone is even going to notice or remember that Dems voted for it.

[Terre]

28. I wholeheartedly agree

Why so many Dems felt the need to sit on the fence, is beyond my comprehension - actually it's not, and THAT'S the sad fact.

[saigon68]

92. They are weasel shits and its time for them to go

SICK OF FUCKING DINOS (SOFD)

[Emillereid]

11. Between Schiavo and the Social Security scheme the Bushits have been

pushing, maybe, just maybe the sheeple are waking up to just what kind of bastards we've got running the show. Am I being optimistic?

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

102. Yes, but we need to be hopeful

We need to activate the newly awakened sheep too. Remind them that they can communicate with their elected reps and that they can vote them out of office

[autorank]

12. The world mimics DU.

Have you ever read a post and nailed a response so quickly you didn't have time to really think it through? I'm sure you have not, but I certainly have. Well Congress, welcome to farking DU you "morans." Your calculation and coniving using the "public will" (aka, polling data) failed this time. You thought you knew what you were doing but your just dumb as rocks when it comes to this issue. A

s one DUer pointed out, Terry Shiavo is the Republican's Monica Lewinsky.

[chomskysright]

58. HARRRR!!!!; Shiavo (repugs) = Lewinsky (Dems).....where's...

that little spot. out out damn spot.

[Hamlette]

14. look for them to offer a tax cut and terror warning soon

Karl is astute enough to get Delay et al to behave for awhile and people will forget this.

It is interesting to note that the last time congressional approval was this low was during impeachment. Too bad we can't make it stick.

None of them would have done this in an election year. The base, even if energized, is not that big.

I hope.

[Robeson]

19. You're right, the fringe hardcore fundamentalists are not that big...

...of a group. We're starting to see their true numbers. They're probably closer to 9 to 10 percent, then throw the extra 3 percent in there for whomever is making up that difference, and we get the number of approx. 13%.

[ozone_man]

15. Reminds me of McCarthy hearings.

Finally Americans stood up to these fear mongers. The same needs to be done to the neocons. Americans will wake up at some point and see this administration for the sham that it is, I hope. Maybe this case will be a crack in the dike.

[NYC]

16. Is Jeb still trying to get custody of Schiavo?

Or did he decide not to make an end run around the law enforcement people Judge Greer posted at the hospice?

[Robeson]

17. Wow, 13%. Its getting narrowed down to only the fringe fundies....

...and 43% approval rating! Its getting closer and closer to the upper 30's range!!

[bluestateguy]

20. Hmmmm....

On second thought, I want to encourage Congress and the president to meddle even more!

We'll have him down to 35% next week if they do.

[BrotherBuzz]

46. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

- Napoleon Bonaparte

[Glenda]

93. I love that quote! n/t

[BrotherBuzz]

96. Yes, but perhaps "Hoisted by one's own petard" is more apropos, no?

The French used pétard, "a loud discharge of intestinal gas," for a kind of infernal engine for blasting through the gates of a city. "To be hoist by one's own petard," a now proverbial phrase apparently originating with Shakespeare's Hamlet (around 1604) not long after the word entered English (around 1598), means "to blow oneself up with one's own bomb, be undone by one's own devices." The French noun pet, "fart," developed regularly from the Latin noun pditum, from the Indo-European root *pezd-, "fart."

[latteromden]

22. Is it bad that I feel happy because of Bush's approval, or lack thereof?

Because I do. Quite.

[grytpype]

24. Another defeat for Bush.

He lost on "Clean Skies" legislation,
He's losing on Social Security,
Repugs are revolted against his budget,
and now this.

[BlueIris]

27. Oh, man. As happy as this makes me, I'm also scared...

...43%? Imagine how low it really is. As I've posted before, and seen others post, now that it's this low, they'll be looking to take drastic action to get those numbers up.

[ozone_man]

50. More terra?

Probably just an orange level terra alert, unless he goes below 35-40, then it's time for another 911. ;)

[MADem]

80. Orange has gotten too "friendly"

...Look at all the cable channels--they use ORANGE in their sets, in their lettering. Out with the red, white and blue, IN with the ORANGE. I'm watching a sherbet orange crawl on CNN right now.

---and then we had the ORANGE revolution overseas, which made orange a better color still. Almost heroic!

And let us not forget those orange GATES courtesy of Cristo--they made orange look, well, foolish.

Naah, orange won't do. He'll have to take us higher....

[UCLA Dem]

29. Lets just sit back and watch them hang themselves.

we knew it would happen sooner or later. they're too arrogant for it not to.

pandering to the religious right with their "code words" in speeches is one thing, but something like this could make it impossible for repukes that aren't to swallow.

they're playing with fire and it looks like they're getting burned this time. no one wants the federals government meddling in their affairs.

[Mad_Dem_X]

104. Agreed - it's just a matter of time

Their arrogance and "untouchable" attitude will be their undoing. Only question is, how many more people will have to suffer before it happens?

[peacetalksforall]

30. Here it is folks....27% want it restored...the absolute die-hard

followers and swallowers are between 27 and 37% depending on the issue. I've been saying for years that their base is only 27-37%. He will probably not descend below 27%. These are probably all fundamentalists - fanatics - the ones born with a logic and rational processing power deficiency.

[Mend]

31. I know "normal" republicans who

are absolutely going apeshit over this....they think the bush intrusion is outrageous. Our first reality break and sadly, it has to be over this poor shell of a woman.

[Robeson]

37. I know a guy who's a Southern Baptist Republican, a deacon....

...in his church, and total Right Winger. But he's also an old time conservative who is adamant about government staying out of peoples lives. He sent me a long rambling e-mail about how he was disgusted with Bush and that Bush was bringing on an Orwellian society. So if things like this are any indication, the numbers on Bush over this issue, are probably even worse than we're being told...

[Toots]

106. I am sure they voted for him though and would do so again..

Republicans only respect money and power. Logic and compassion is not their long suit...

[spotbird]

32. Strange, Pollingreport has totally different numbers.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

3/18-20/05
52 44 4 909

3/7-10/05
52 44 4

http://pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

[Terre]

39. I'll be curious to see what they report

on the next poll.

[snippy]

40. That is a Gallup poll conducted last Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

The House passed the bill just after midnight Sunday night and Bush signed it around 1:30 a.m. Monday. The CBS poll was conducted after Bush signed the bill.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

33. Rove screwed up BIG time on this.

I thought this might blow up in their faces when even my local conservatives were not pleased.

I'm so very pleased that this vile act has backfired on them! :D

[DS1]

45. I truly think DeLay dragged the rest of them into this mess

And further hastened his departure to spend more time with his family

[Lone_Star_Dem]

47. You may be right

I see a need for DeLay to spend more time with his family in the near future, too.

Unlucky family, lucky us. :)

[Oeditpus Rex]

88. Family time

I see a need for DeLay to spend more time with his family in the near future, too.

Yeah — with DeLay on one phone, his family on another and a pane of glass between them.

Oh... and DeLay not sitting very comfortably, ifyaknowhatImean.

[rodeodance]

69. recall that it was Jeb who asked the WH for help

[Name removed]

81. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[snippy]

35. It is time for the American people to remove the feeding tube of the GOP.

The republican party insists on forcing the government into our living rooms, our bedrooms, and now our hospital rooms. The American people need to wake up and put a stop to demented and corrupt one party control by voting against republicans.

[lonestarnot]

71. Love this post! But nutsack removed his own feeding tube! n/t

[Lorien]

36. Now let's see if Jebby sends in those US marshalls

that should knock another 10% off BushCo's ratings!

[expatriot]

38. This'll really bite Bush & House in the ass if they push for Medicare cuts

I mean if they keep pushing for those cuts as part of the budget... then we can REALLY pounce on their hypocrisy.

[truthpusher]

41. Poll Finds Evangelicals, Conservatives Oppose Federal Government's

Poll: Evangelicals Oppose Gov't on Schiavo
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Poll Finds Evangelicals, Conservatives Oppose Federal Government's Intervention in Schiavo Case
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By The Associated
The Associated Press
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Mar. 23, 2005 - More than two-thirds of people who describe themselves as evangelicals and conservatives disapprove of the intervention by Congress and President Bush in the case of the Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman at the center of a national debate.

A CBS News poll found that four of five people polled opposed federal intervention, with levels of disapproval among key groups supporting the GOP almost that high.

(snip)

The CBS News poll of 737 adults was taken Monday and Tuesday and the CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll of 620 adults was taken Tuesday. Both have margins of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=608247&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

[Trillo]

42. So where exactly is the neo-cons base?

The corporate boardroom?

[glitch]

49. More specifically, the boardrooms of ES&S, Diebold, Sequoia and Triad. nt

[BadGimp]

43. my question is...

Who did these GOP windbags poll of focus group before they went scurriying into this burning building??

It is possible that they actually miscalculated this badly?

wait...never mind.

[UrbScotty]

51. Poll: Most evangelicals oppse government on Schiavo

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=3&u=/ap/20050323/ap_on_re_us/schiavo_polls

More than two-thirds of people who describe themselves as evangelicals and conservatives disapprove of the intervention by Congress and President Bush (news - web sites) in the case of the Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman at the center of a national debate.

A CBS News poll found that four of five people polled opposed federal intervention, with levels of disapproval among key groups supporting the GOP almost that high.

Bush's overall approval was at 43 percent, down from 49 percent last month.

[Rose Siding]

55. ABC's poll yesterday had it closer to even

even among evangelicals

snip>
Among two core Republicans constituencies, 54 percent of conservatives said they support removal of the tube, while evangelical Protestants divide about evenly with 46 percent support.

According to the poll, conservatives and evangelicals also were more likely to support federal intervention in the case, although the support did not reach a majority in either group.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=600654

[Borgnine]

52. And they always called us the party of intrusive government.

I hope libertarian types and old-school conservatives (the ones who aren't fundie whackjobs) remember this, and if they don't, we need to remind them at every oppurtunity.

[UrbScotty]

53. Rate this story a 5 on YAHOO!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=3&u=/ap/20050323/ap_on_re_us/schiavo_polls

[chomskysright]

56. KICK!!!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

64. somebody said you need to email the story to get it in the popular

category.

[chomskysright]

59. OUR WEDGE ISSUE: Personal Privacy...

ruggerson (1000+ posts) from that DU'er:


Wed Mar-23-05 09:00 PM
Original message
Our Wedge Issue: Personal Privacy


If need be, we should introduce, nationwide, innocuous and common sense state level constitutional amendments to prohibit legislatures from getting involved in private family/medical/terminal illness decisions.

They would be enormously popular, they would drive a huge wedge through the Republican party, and they would boost support for Democratic candidates across the board.

This is, if we can organize it, our "gay marriage" issue.

[chomskysright]

60. keep your hands off my body!

[chomskysright]

61. keep the feds out of State issues!

[chomskysright]

62. Keep your Homeland Security off of my irises....

[chomskysright]

63. keep your Faux news out of my house....feeding me lies& manipulation

[Stephanie]

65. What is the math there?

82% say he's wrong, 78% have strong feelings. If you assume that ALL of the Bush supporters have strong feelings, then at least 60% of the total have strong feelings that Bush is WRONG.

Finally, an issue that resonates. Bush has jumped the shark. Now let's show them what else he's wrong about.

Since Bush's margin of "victory" was less than 1%, the fact that at least 60% strongly disapprove is significant, no?

[Logansquare]

66. Oh, if *only* there were an election in the next month

Oh JesusGod, please make these people remember this next time at the booths!

[kliljedahl]

74. That's what I'm worried about

Murikans have a short attention span, & the next election is two years away.


http://www.kliljedahl.net

[Logansquare]

79. Yes, and there could be another terrorist attack

or some other Reichstag-like event that makes them rush back to Our Leader's skirts.

[Donailin]

67. not low enough for me.

let him kidnap terry and reinsert. I want to see that poll read 12 percent approval rating -- the 12 percent being that base of his -- radical rightwingnuts.

I say this with total inner conflict: I fucking triple-dog-dare-ya, Bush! Go re-insert that tube!

[GetTheRightVote]

73. Glad to hear Americans are smarter then * & posse believe

:kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

75. Wouldn't it be lovely if this CARTOON were correct:

[Wright Patman]

76. It's not hard to see

how the Pukes could have miscalculated. They think that just over half the electorate voted for them and that the other half is gay.

[Robeson]

97. Theres a lot of truth in that.

[VegasWolf]

78. In all reality, the Religious are really a smaller percent of the

population. n/t

[Robeson]

98. Agree......

...and the insane fundies, make up an even smaller percentage of the population.

[RetroLounge]

82. (Bush Approval 43%)

If it gets much lower I'd make sure I don't work in a high rise in a blue state.

Just saying...

RL

[deacon]

83. Poll: Evangelicals Oppose Gov't on Schiavo

More than two-thirds of people who describe themselves as evangelicals and conservatives disapprove of the intervention by Congress and President Bush in the case of the Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman at the center of a national debate.

http://www.heraldsun.com/nationworld/14-589099.html

Bush, DeLay, and Rove horribly misread how their 'christian base' would react to their actions.

[Dookus]

84. That's amazing

the Republicans did, once again, what they ALWAYS do given power - overreach.

[elperromagico]

87. My advice to the GOP: Stay the Course!!!

The bad poll numbers show that you're on the right track! :D

[Malikshah]

91. Where's the Office Pool Thread? Terror Level Color Change?

It'll be Red by Easter...

Get those hatches and start 'a battenin down!!!

*puts head between knees* ;)

[chickenscratching]

105. don't forget your duct tape and saran wrap!!!! n/t

[Voltaire99]

94. The photograph of her is appalling

Why, oh why, is this poor, vacant-eyed woman wearing make up?

Turning her before the cameras like a decorated Christmas tree...

Man, these fundies are one fucked-up bunch.

[HockeyMom]

103. Psycho

As somebody said on another thread, I get imagines of Norman Bates and his Mother looking at those picture of Teri. Giving me the creeps. Her parents might think they are playing to people's sympathy, but I find it downright sick and cruel.

[lovuian]

95. Welcome to Reality And I bet its lower than that!!!

By the time Bush is out Republicans are going to be sick!!!

[BlueIris]

108. That's what I say, except that I'm still too freaked

by how low that percentage is and the likelihood of a Bush "retaliation" to try to get a "rally round the leader" response and hopefully a popularity boost as a result. There's only one thing I believe might save us--a massive drop within a very short period of time. Like, within the space of three weeks (though I almost think it would have to be less) if his numbers somehow just tanked, right down to a Jimmy Carter or Grey Davis-style 20%. Then, I guess it's remotely possible that the chances Bush, Cheney, Rove, et. al, would "try" something would be a little lower. At that point, they might just decide that it would be safer to discredit Dems though '06 and '08, work on ways to keep their stranglehold on the voting machines and the media so they can steal the next election. Except, then I remember that the neo-cons are a wee bit insane, and that it's unlikely the media would ever report a drop in approval that drastic, and I get nervous again.

[sellitman]

100. It don't matter.

We are still on the outside looking in and will lose the next election just as badly. What are you all gloating over?

THE MACHINES ARE FIXED!!!!!!!!

This is a meaningless poll. If an election was held today .....same outcome. If the poll reads 5% approval........same outcome.

WAKE UP FOLKS!!!!!!

[Megahurtz]

123. You are right.

:(

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

101. THey are digging their own graves with this issue n/t

[cthrumatrix]

109. Poll: Evangelicals Oppose Gov't on Schiavo

Poll: Evangelicals Oppose Gov't on Schiavo

1 hour, 23 minutes ago U.S. National - AP


By The Associated Press

More than two-thirds of people who describe themselves as evangelicals and conservatives disapprove of the intervention by Congress and President Bush (news - web sites) in the case of the Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman at the center of a national debate.


A CBS News poll found that four of five people polled opposed federal intervention, with levels of disapproval among key groups supporting the GOP almost that high.


Bush's overall approval was at 43 percent, down from 49 percent last month.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=703&e=3&u=/ap/20050324/ap_on_re_us/schiavo_polls

BUSH has some damn explaing to do .... our democracy say's we clearly disagree...the US is NOT a dictatorship (or at least I hope not)

[shoelace414]

110. time for a terra warning

[gWbush is Mabus]

112. good call - we have some intelligence from 1985 so we are going to RED

[DeepModem Mom]

111. Whoa! nt

[Mari333]

113. The GOP misread this one hahaha

and they cannot backtrack. Lets see if the Dems use this as an opportunity, or just sit it out.

[Auntie Bush]

117. I think Conservatives got the message already without us pushing it in

it in their face. I think it would be hypocritical of us to use Terri for political points. It just isn't necessary! Everyone can see how political the Rethugs in Congress made this and are disgusted
with them. Don't give Rethugs an opening to say we did it too and we let her die for political reasons. They can get away better by making it political because they are trying to save a life. Let's not have a dog in this fight...or we will be called the dogs. ( or should I say our party will go to the dogs? lol )To sum it all up...we don't want to be considered the part of death which they are already trying to do. We mush NOT make this political!!!!

[peacetalksforall]

119. We need to go after Frist and DeLay - I don't agree with you entirely. nt

[primavera]

133. Well, the Repukes and half of the Dems in Congress

...who were also only too eager to jump on the right-wing fundie express when they thought it would suit their agenda.

[renaissanceguy]

114. 'evangelical' and 'conservative' are subjective

Not all evangelicals are fundies.

Traditional conservatives are against big government, but fundie conservatives are for it.

So, while the chimp is pissing off some Repugs out there, he is making his base happy.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14741193

[DinahMoeHum]

116. Right, Rev. Jim Wallis of Sojourners magazine is an evangelical

Link:
www.sojo.net


:bounce:

[Bridget Burke]

118. And not all Fundamentalists are active politically.

Some of them just want to practice their faith.

(Rev. Jim Wallis did quite well on the Daily Show.)

[callous taoboy]

115. The Congressional Mepublicans have had their feeding tubes

removed.

[elperromagico]

120. A lot of people have been in situations like this,

where they have had to make the decision to "pull the plug" on a loved one.

And almost everyone can see Terri's situation and think, "If I were in her place, I wouldn't want Congress sticking its nose in it."

For once, logic is winning.

[cascadiance]

121. I AM in this situation now...

and I thank god that there's some level of sanity that's staying with the court system at least on this sort of thing. It IS a personal decision to make, and a DAMN tough one to make for each person involved, as I am faced with it now with my father. I was really afraid of what I might have to do if congress and this administration turned this into a "witch hunt" ('er make that "zombie" hunt)!

Like someone said, I think one should be careful in making it a political football any longer. I think Democrats shouldn't be trying to do more "poster child" type of efforts, but be firm about defending individuals' rights from being stomped on by an overly intrusive government. I wonder though if this situation might bite the Republicans in the ass later when they try to go after Roe v. Wade, and people are reminded about how the government was similarly trying to take individual's decisions on medical situations before with the Schiavo case. Might make people think more that it is about a women's right to choose than being "pro-life" then.

[Megahurtz]

122. Good!

I hope the public opens it's eyes to Busheister and his "pro-life" shenanigans.

What a USER!!!:argh:Exploiting people's lives for his own gain.:puke:

[DFWJock]

125. Chimp approval

at 43%, sounds like its time for a terra alert!

[Barrett808]

126. Get Your War On: Schiavo

http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war45.html

[gasperc]

127. Bush and the GOP should keep fighting this

until they turn public opinion around, they just need to get out front more on this issue. and keep emphasizing the err on the side of life, as it applies to Terri, the death penalty, especially when DNA evidence proves the inmate was innocent but still refused to sign a stay of exacution, or if parents object to the removing of the tube

[shantipriya]

128. Bush approval

It is no comfort because at the end of the day the Repugs still wind up voting Repugs!They are a bunch of BLIND loyalists

[GOPBasher]

129. The majority of people don't support the GOP's theocratic agenda.

Yet, they always get about 50% of the vote, or enough to steal the election. :shrug:

[SodoffBush]

131. If Bush's ratings fall below 40%

watch Rove head to the hospital and put Terri out of her misery himself.

[jazzjunkysue]

134. If the story weren't such a tragedy, that would be funny. But it's true.

There have to be some high level re-ug-licans who are really against this latest pr bomb.

[requiem99]

137. Can you say Civil War in the making?