Florida State legislature refuses the Schindlers' bill

[OldLeftieLawyer]

MSNBC is reporting that they've turned down the bill, not even discussing or voting on it.

[Avalux]

1. they did vote - 18 yea, 21 nay

defeated.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Did they vote to consider it?

Or did they vote on the bill, as presented?

Was there discussion?

I haven't been watching all day, so I'm half-assed informed. Thanks for the clarification.

[Avalux]

8. They voted on the bill -

quorum call and debate before the vote.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

27. Good

They've heard from their constituents, loud and clear.

Good.

Thanks a lot.........

[imenja]

44. amazing

cause that crowd are as reactionary as it gets.

[Jersey Devil]

30. actually 18 yea, 21 nay (I had a typo in a previous post - sorry) nt

x

[Avalux]

31. thanks -

corrected it. :hi:

[meganmonkey]

2. Game over?

Is that it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I am willing to bet it is NOT over

[sonicx]

7. Hell no, laws can't get in the way of a Bush.

[meganmonkey]

9. I know. Just wishful thinking.

The ability of a human body to exist without food and water might just get in the way though.

The clock is ticking.....

[Dr.Phool]

22. Nothing is safe

While Jeb is still in the picture.

He REALLY thinks he's above the law. Just like the rest of his family.

[never_get_over_it]

33. Well unless Jeb does something

the only place to go now is SCOTUS and I can't believe they would show their true colors - in the Bush boys pockets - that would make Bush v. Gore really obvious - oh I'm sorry Bush v. Gore was really obvious. Anyway I don't think they would dare to rule to put the tube back - but it sure will be interesting....I'm betting they won't even hear it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Ok lets see Jebbie executive order this

I am counting on it...

And yes plaese Jebbie, do it, please show to the American People the level of insanity that yuo are capable off... show the people how little respect you have for the Constitution or the separation of powers

[Avalux]

14. lol -

I also hope Jebbie pushes this even further - popcorn!

[drdon326]

6. They are predicating Jeb will take custody thru DCF -

DEPT OF CHILDRN AND FAMILY.

[jdj]

10. you know Jeb is shitting right now.

I'm sure he's hoping she'll knock off before he has to do anything.

LOL. sorry to be glib, I feel for Terri, but I do enjoy seeing these guys wallow in their own swamp.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Can we get CPS to take custordyof the kids

arrested today?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

16. You know what that will mean?

Armed men and women going into the hospice and taking Mrs. Schiavo from her deathbed to a hospital where the tube would be reinserted, without any legal authority to do this whatsoever.

I am hoping - oh, man, am I hoping - that even that fucker Jeb isn't as stupid as to order this.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Oh Jebbie has shown he IS that stupid

I feel for her... but in her death she may do all of us a great service

Showing the nation the level of depravity of the Bushes and the BFEE

YES they will go and get yuo uot of YOUR death bed if they think they can use you. This is the frame that he is about to give us in a platter

Oh and before yuo say it, they politicized this a long time ago

[jean]

18. isn't Mrs Schiavo a legal adult? And her husband is her legal advocate?

I don't understand how he could be successful in going through DCF - other than to perpetrate more grandstanding.

[janx]

21. I don't understand it either.

These scumbags have no respect whatsoever for Terri Schiavo or Florida law .

[OldLeftieLawyer]

29. So much............

for the "sanctity" of marriage, eh?

[DBoon]

36. No respect for the law is EXACTLY the point

There have established a precedent for executive override of ANY law or court decision that goes against their own view of "Christian morality"

[katinmn]

12. Not following Jeb. Hmmmm

At least he can say he tried.

It was all those librul legislators' fault.

[xultar]

13. So I guess all the churches across Florida will be kickin out politicians

WOW this is gonna be effin fun.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

24. Judge Greer got kicked out

I trust you saw that?

[xultar]

47. Yup, now they can kick out the legislature n/t

[janx]

15. OLL, what do you think of the DCF business/Jebbie business?

Isn't that risky for them legally?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. See my post above

It's illegal, in my opinion, especially without any valid Family Services opinion.

This is where the importance of a class in law school called "Legislative Drafting" is so important.

See, when the US House passed that "law" trying to get the case out of Florida State courts and into Federal court, whoever drafted it forgot to ask for immediate reinsertion of the feeding tube. So, the court couldn't take judicial notice of something that hadn't been argued, and that is where they fucked up so bad.

[janx]

25. I noticed that--it was partly Levin's doing. Thank God for him!

Thanks for the information.

[Hamlette]

37. they didn't "forget" to "ask for immediate reinsertion" of the tube

there was specific debate about it on the floor of the Senate. It was decided to leave it OUT. See the 11th Circuit Court decision and the exchange quoted between Sens Levin and Frist. They decided NOT to order the federal courts to reinsert the tube.

They KNEW they were passing a law which would fail because of the standard for a TRO.

Cynical bastards.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

41. No kidding

I've really got other things to do than read up on this, so I'm very grateful for your information. Thank you.

Cynical is hardly the word, but it's a good start.

Exploit her until she dies, you opportunistic bastards. How utterly naked. I guess they're betting the vast majority of Americans are too busy - or too overwhelmed - to understand what this means.

Thanks again.

[HEyHEY]

17. yup

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (CP) _ The Florida Senate has rejected a bill to reconnect Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

[drthais]

19. ...in case you think Jeb is not in the Neocon Loop

you must remember that he is one of the original signers
of the initial PNAC document
GW is not
(not that that excuses him, but I'm just saying...)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. He's a Bush;

therefore, he's a whore.

(With apologies to all my old 'working girl' clients, who always showed up in court when they had to, and who always paid up front in cash......)

[maddezmom]

26. here's the link: Florida Senate Turns Back Schiavo Bill

1 minute ago U.S. National - AP


By ELIOTT C. McLAUGHLIN, Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA - For the second time in less than a day, a federal appeals court Wednesday rejected a bid by Terri Schiavo's parents to have her feeding tube re-inserted. The Florida Senate also turned back another last-ditch effort to prolong her life.


The Senate bill would have prohibited patients like Schiavo from being denied food and water if they did not express their wishes in writing. The 21-18 vote came five days after her feeding tube was removed under court order. Similar efforts in the Legislature have failed in the past.


In a 10-2 decision earlier Wednesday, the Atlanta-based U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) refused Bob and Mary Schindler's request for an emergency rehearing by the full court. A three-judge panel from the same court ruled against the family earlier Wednesday.


The court did not give an explanation for its decision. Matt Davidson, a clerk for the court, said it normally does not make statements when it votes on whether to consider a request.


However, the dissenting judges did make statements. Judge Charles R. Wilson, who also dissented in the three-judge panel's ruling, said he still stood by his earlier rationale that Schiavo's "imminent" death would end the case before it could be fully considered. "I fail to see any harm in reinserting the feeding tube," he wrote in the earlier ruling.

~snip~
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=1&u=/ap/20050323/ap_on_re_us/brain_damaged_woman

[brooklynite]

32. From the tail end of the news story...

Chris Keys, 45, of Burnet, Texas, held his 2-year-old daughter, Farrah, as he prepared to get arrested with three of his other children. The toddler was taken by her mother so police could handcuff Keys and the other children.

Any adult who wants to get arrested as a political statement, more power to them. But using their kids as props is really a detestable practice.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Whete the hell is CPS on this one?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

34. So has the Florida legilature

decided to follow the law, not abuse their power, and let the courts do their job. The Bush boys aren't going to be happy about this. Jeb is probably having to draft the executive order right now.

[peaches2003]

39. W is whining

And Chimp boy is in Crawford screaming and kicking his little feet that no one can say no to him- "I am the King, aren't I, Laura?" Again George has screwed Jebbie's presidential hopes.

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[seafan]

40. Jeb is skidding into crash and burn. Count on it. n/t

[seafan]

42. Wonder if Jeb will pull an Elian-esque armed entry.... n/t

[deadparrot]

43. Is anyone else a little disturbed

at the lengths these ghouls will go to?

[imenja]

45. yeah, that's why there are 4000 DU posts on the Schiavo mess

[steve2470]

46. Florida Senate Rejects Bill That Would Have Forced Reinsertion of Terri Sc

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBC1T6AO6E.html

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - The Florida Senate rejected a bill Wednesday to keep Terri Schiavo alive, turning back an attempt to resolve the contentious end-of-life debate with a state law, as legislators did in 2003.

The bill would have prohibited patients like Schiavo from being denied food and water if they didn't express their wishes in writing. It would have applied only to cases where families disagreed on a patient's wishes. The 21-18 vote came five days after her feeding tube was removed under court order.

Doctors have said the severely brain-damaged woman could survive one to two weeks without the feeding tube, which was removed Friday.

Lawmakers rebuffed the measure as a federal appeals court also rejected, for the second time in less than a day, an urgent plea from Schiavo's parents to restore the feeding tube.
<snip>

[brettdale]

48. Jeb Bush is sick he wants custody of Terri Schiavo.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Assisted_Suicide

[MikeG]

49. He should start with supervised visitation.

[sharonking21]

50. Paying the piper

Has he been paying his child support?

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. change this to the actual title

LBN rules

After taht, the more he pushes this... teh crazier he looks

[leftofcool]

52. Absolutely.................

take the poor woman home with you, Jeb. You can take on all of her medical costs as well so the tax payers won't have to.

Left of Cool

[_testify_]

53. I thought I heard Greer ordered law enforcement to stay out of it n/t