Right Bothered by Government Role in Schiavo Case

[solinvictus]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050322/ap_on_go_pr_wh/schiavo_conservatives

"WASHINGTON - Not all conservatives are happy with the decision by Congress and President Bush (news - web sites) to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case. Some leaders said Tuesday the new law allowing a federal court review of the case is an example of the big government they have always opposed.



"To simply say that the 'culture of life,' or whatever you call it means that we don't have to pay attention to the principles of federalism or separation of powers is certainly not a conservative viewpoint," said former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga. "

Gotta love Bob Barr, wish there were more Republicans like him.

[RPM]

1. i should effing hope so....

...any repub with a drop of libertarian blood hates this one...

[MADem]

2. Bob Barr, John Warner...BOTHERED???

My goodness, pigs are flying and shrimp have learned to whistle!!! I love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the morning!!!

From the above cite:

"To simply say that the 'culture of life,' or whatever you call it means that we don't have to pay attention to the principles of federalism or separation of powers is certainly not a conservative viewpoint," said former Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga.

Allan Lichtman, who chairs the history department at American University in Washington, said the intervention of Congress and Bush to try to overturn the decision by Schiavo's husband not to prolong her life is the antithesis of several conservative principles.

"It contradicts a lot of what those behind it say they believe: the sanctity of the family, the sacred bond between husband and wife, the ability of all of us to make private decisions without the hand of government intervening, deference to states and localities as opposed to the centralized government," said Lichtman. ....But Republican Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record) of Virginia voted against the legislation, saying it goes against the conservative principles of federalism. ...

[AlCzervik]

5. Shrimp whistling...lol. John Warner has got a bit of a sticky wicket

going on, it seems that the gop he once beonged to doesn't exist anymore.

[johnnyrocket]

16. Christopher Shays slammed Tom Delay this morning...

calling the Schiavo 'law' an intrusion and the GOP becoming too powerful. It was interesting how sharp his comments were...the GOP is FUCKED in '06!

[MADem]

17. He's desperate to make a little hay while the sun shines

Wasn't he a conscientious objector during Nam, who voted for the war? Still, it is interesting how all the good little GOP do-bees are flying away from the hive!

[Nite Owl]

3. And they were bothered by

the huge deficits and the patriot act and other stuff before the election too. But they went ahead and voted for the boy king for another four years. Just what is going to be enough of this guy for them.

:shrug:

[Nikepallas]

4. Yes, this might be the straw that breaks the Fundie back. I recently

heard who is a Fundie and had not talked to me in about 4 months. She called me last night and said that she was "starting to see why I feared so much" for this country.


I've also heard hard cores -the type that yell "repent now" from the curbs-doubt their belief of congress.

[xray s]

6. OH NO! They are not going to get off THAT EASY!

Sure, now that the polls show this idiocy spawned by Tom DeLay and the psycho right is massively unpopular, the cockroaches want to run and hide and claim innocence and shock at this assault on the Constitution and blind fascist power grab by the Congress and Senate.

Sorry! This is your Frankenstein monster! You conservatives breathed life into it and nurtured it, and now that it is trashing this country you will be held responsible.

Fascist ghouls exploiting a dying woman to win a Senate election in Florida. That is what this is all about.

Get the pitch forks and lets give the the monster and its creator it due!

[MADem]

9. They can be redeemed, so long as they agree to be the

...cannon fodder on the barricades should revolution come.

[barb162]

11. I fear this will backfire on Democrats yet.

This is a polarizing case but not a clearcut case. But i sure agree with you on the exploitation issue, it's a total circus.

[unkachuck]

22. I really like the way you said that...

....'Fascist ghouls exploiting a dying woman to win a Senate election in Florida'....I think that just about sums it up....

[Tweed]

7. What does it say if BOB BARR is bothered?!

:crazy:

[barb162]

8. The sick way he went after Clinton...he's bothered by something?

he's one of the biggest jerks on this planet

[MADem]

14. Well, he's "Right to Life-LITE"

As I recall, one of his wives or girlfriends piped up about his insisting that she get an abortion, and even paying for it (such a sport!).

The vicious details: http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/01/12/flynt.01/
Hustler magazine publisher Larry Flynt is accusing Republican Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia of sexual infidelity, hypocrisy and lying under oath about an abortion.

Barr is refusing to discuss his personal life with the news media, but issued a statement saying "I have never perjured myself...I have never suggested, urged, forced or encouraged anyone to have an abortion."

In a late-night news conference in California, Flynt released an affidavit from Barr's former wife, Gail, in which she said Barr paid for an abortion she had in 1983 and that he never objected to it.
Barr said under oath in his 1986 divorce testimony that he did object to the abortion.

The ex-wife also said in the affidavit that she now believes Barr, while still married to her, began an affair with the woman he married a month after the divorce became final in 1986.

[Gman]

10. " "Gotta love Bob Barr, wish there were more Republicans like him."

I don't know anyone that would have said these words in 1998. Barr is a no good sorry bastard.

[ngGale]

23. Never thought I would ever step up to...

say anything good about Bob Barr. Here goes, Bob Barr has been giving speeches against the Patriot Act since the beginning. I was surprised when I caught one on C-Span. He was saying if you wanted to build a boat dock on a lake in your back yard - time was you just got a building permit. Now, you have to call the Army COE - what does the government have to do with your private boat dock? He was very concerned about the Constitution and the reach of the federal gov. into our personal lives.

At least he is consistent, unlike Pat Buchanan who talks against Bush's policies on TV - then kisses his butt the rest of the time.

Bob Barr is consistent, that's the only break I'll give him. From what he says, he really does - IMO care about the Constitution.
That's more than the rest of his party. I began to think to myself - IF butt-hole Barr is worried, maybe we all should be.

[bluestateguy]

12. Real conservatives would be appalled

What federal issue is involved here that gives Congress the jurisdiction to stick their mitts in this case? I would oppose the Florida legislature getting involved too, but that would at least have more grounding in the proper powers of state government.

But Bob Barr? This was the zealot who tied up the country for six months trying to impeach a president for having a private affair.

[fishnfla]

13. Big Goverment Republicans scare me most

They got guns
They got God
They got money
They got the media
They got white

Oh Lawdy, Lawd!! Do what they say! Do what they say!!!

[leesa]

15. Can't we shoot for ethical Republicans instead of just more like Barr?

Talk about setting your sights low!

[MADem]

18. Let's shoot for fewer of them

So long as they are a clearcut MINORITY, they can be dealt with. Time to unload these corporate pigclowns!

[Canuckistanian]

19. A little buyer's remorse? Too late!

This crew would screw your grandmother and tell you that it was part of the "culture of life".

[rodeodance]

20. all of suffer for their buyer's remose!!!

[grannylib]

21. Bob Barr, the thrice-married author of the Protection of Marriage Act?

*lololol*
That's a hoot.

[Moderator]

24. kick to combine

[ruggerson]

25. G.O.P. Right Is Splintered on Schiavo Intervention

Maybe so, but their leadership in congress isn't splintered at all. The Talibornagain is firmly in control there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/politics/23repubs.html?

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By ADAM NAGOURNEY

Published: March 23, 2005

WASHINGTON, March 22 - The vote by Congress to allow the federal courts to take over the Terri Schiavo case has created distress among some conservatives who say that lawmakers violated a cornerstone of conservative philosophy by intervening in the ruling of a state court.

The emerging debate, carried out against a rush of court decisions and Congressional action, has highlighted a conflict of priorities among conservatives and signals tensions that Republicans are likely to face as Congressional leaders and President Bush push social issues over the next two years, party leaders say.

"This is a clash between the social conservatives and the process conservatives, and I would count myself a process conservative," said David Davenport of the Hoover Institute, a conservative research organization. "When a case like this has been heard by 19 judges in six courts and it's been appealed to the Supreme Court three times, the process has worked - even if it hasn't given the result that the social conservatives want. For Congress to step in really is a violation of federalism."

Stephen Moore, a conservative advocate who is president of the Free Enterprise Fund, said: "I don't normally like to see the federal government intervening in a situation like this, which I think should be resolved ultimately by the family: I think states' rights should take precedence over federal intervention. A lot of conservatives are really struggling with this case."

Some more moderate Republicans are also uneasy. Senator John W. Warner of Virginia, the sole Republican to oppose the Schiavo bill in a voice vote in the Senate, said: "This senator has learned from many years you've got to separate your own emotions from the duty to support the Constitution of this country. These are fundamental principles of federalism."

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[NVMojo]

26. a small but continuing sign of a fracture!!!

[pnorman]

27. When they finally realize that Bush

doesn't give a Rat's Rectum about what they think, that fissure will WIDEN.

pnorman

[lcordero]

28. In the end...

It will be the Schiavo family that loses, conservatives are going to get played yet again, and the "medical" industry is going to still be able to drive families into superpoverty.

[arcos]

29. Warner was there? I thought only Frist, Santorum and Harking were... nt

[Lone_Star_Dem]

30. That was my understanding, also.

I'm looking so see if I can find more on this.

[saltpoint]

31. Ordinarily I am very harsh in my anti-Republican comments --

-- so I'd better take this very rare moment and say thanks to Senator Warner (R-Virginia) for his opposition to the Schiavo bill.

That don't mean we're pals, Senator. Just credit where it's due.

[DetroitDem]

32. the fracture

Hopefully this will finally serve as wake up call to traditional Republican about where their party has gone. They'll see that the Rockefeller/moderate types that use to dominate the party has co opted by fundie nuts like De Lay

[saltpoint]

33. Yes. It's sad to see the fundamentalists exert that level of --

-- influence.

I think the Schiavo case will diminish their standing somewhat. I hope so, anyway.

[Guaranteed]

34. G.O.P. Right Is Splintered on Schiavo Intervention

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/23/politics/23repubs.html?ex=1269234000&en=b374f7629523357d&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland
By ADAM NAGOURNEY

Published: March 23, 2005


WASHINGTON, March 22 - The vote by Congress to allow the federal courts to take over the Terri Schiavo case has created distress among some conservatives who say that lawmakers violated a cornerstone of conservative philosophy by intervening in the ruling of a state court.

<snip>

Some more moderate Republicans are also uneasy. Senator John W. Warner of Virginia, the sole Republican to oppose the Schiavo bill in a voice vote in the Senate, said: "This senator has learned from many years you've got to separate your own emotions from the duty to support the Constitution of this country. These are fundamental principles of federalism."

"It looks as if it's a wholly Republican exercise," Mr. Warner said, "but in the ranks of the Republican Party, there is not a unanimous view that Congress should be taking this step."

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"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy," Mr. Shays said. "There are going to be repercussions from this vote. There are a number of people who feel that the government is getting involved in their personal lives in a way that scares them."

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Originally found over at Kos.

This is great. They're running. This was SO STUPID of them.

[truthisfreedom]

35. none of these thugs will be willing to live under the twisted laws they

foist upon the rest of us. their only salvation is to pass a law that says lawmakers are exempt from all laws they sign, under God.

[underpants]

36. They seem to be circling the wagons but...

I didn't expect them to let any of this see the light of day only fight it out behind closed doors.

Good. Move over and pass the popcorn.

[Dhalgren]

37. Now they suddenly have qualms, go figure.

Delay and the other Taliban members are suddenly worried about those pesky polls showing huge majorities against their intervention. Bush is probably asking Karl, right now, "WTF? I thought you said this was a win/win kinda thing! Now it looks like we picked the wrong side on this! I guess I have to come out for killing her, now (you know that was how I always lean, anyway. He-he-he)!"

[HockeyMom]

42. Grandma and Grandpa

sitting on the sofa saying, "Don't you EVER do that to me." They really blew it with this one. Even MORE than Social Security.

[Squeech]

38. Yay!

For 13 years I thought the Republican center was in a persistent vegetative state. Good to know there's life in them yet.

[LeighAnn]

39. Don't like to intervene in state court rulings? Since when?

Gay marriage? Medical Marijuana? What a joke

[biftonnorton]

40. As They Change What's Acceptable

by stepping in where gov't doesn't belong, they forget that the precedents they're setting in all the "work arounds" they try can be used in the future by other administrations. Who'll be in power in the future? Eventually a democrat will be, and then the repubs will rue the day they took such liberties with the constitution and bill o'rights.

[durablend]

41. Just check Freeperville...

Still plenty of whackos but it's surprising how many over there are pissed off over this.

[Trajan]

43. Rep. Christopher Shays ....

"My party is demonstrating that they are for states' rights unless they don't like what states are doing," said Representative Christopher Shays of Connecticut, one of five House Republicans who voted against the bill. "This couldn't be a more classic case of a state responsibility."

"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy," Mr. Shays said. "There are going to be repercussions from this vote. There are a number of people who feel that the government is getting involved in their personal lives in a way that scares them."

Rep. Shays ? .... I couldn't have said it better ....

The GOP ARE a creedalistic band of super-nannies trying to force their strident, theologically based mores on the nation as a whole ....

They LOVE 'states rights' when it allows slavery and indentured servitude ... but they HATE when citizens actually agree to have freedoms not allowed under the GOP Theocracy ....

[dbt]

44. The Reaping Of The WHIRLWIND Begins.

It's harvest time, GOPshites! Eat hearty.

:evilgrin:

[Ellen Rose]

45. Delay speaks to a conservative group about Schiavo

Just saw remarks on CNN that Delay made to a Conservative group last Friday. He thought his remarks were off record but they were caught on video tape. He started his speech with these words: "God sent us Terry Schiavo". In conclusion he pointed out to the group that Democrats have figured out how to attack him and others by personal attacks. I don't have a link, they just ran this about 20 minutes ago.

Investigation of his skirting the rules and getting money from any possible source is a personal attack? How convenient that there is a family crisis going on in Florida for Delay to grandstand and try to deflect the public eye away from him.:evilgrin:

[dbt]

46. Good morning, Ellen Rose, and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[DemoTex]

47. Kick 'em while they are down (like they would us)!

This is an artificial block to the natural dying process. So said a man of the cloth on the evening news yesterday. We should be repeating it over and over in the face of Bu$h's putative reverence for "the sanctity of life." This should be a Democratic talking point. It is true (unlike most GOP talking points) and it cuts right to the heart of the matter.

This is an artificial block to the natural dying process.


The GOP's moral bankruptcy Bill.

[Guaranteed]

48. Kick this awesome story nt