Evangelists focus efforts on converting Muslims

[maxrandb]

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=83595&ran=3791

Sometimes I just hate being stationed in the heart of "Diamond Mine Pat Robertson's" America. Following is from a story about a conference at Regent's University. If you are doubting whether or not the "fundies" are in a holy war. Doubt no further.

"Greeson, a Christian missionary in South Asia, said the Quran’s mention of Jesus is a perfect starting point for engaging Muslims in dialogue that eventually can lead to their conversion to Christianity."

“It is the most effective evangelistic tool I’ve seen,” said Greeson, who works for the International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Conference. “I don’t mean to say Muslims are our enemy, but using the Quran as a bridge has allowed us to go deep, deep, deep into enemy territory.”

Some evangelicals say there’s never been a better time to target Muslims. Pat Robertson , the Christian broadcaster who founded Regent, cited Muslims’ dreams of Christ when he predicted in January that God would “send a revival, a spiritual revival in the Muslim world” this year.

Robertson is also among evangelicals who see a broader, high-stakes spiritual conflict between Christianity and Islam. “Make no mistake, the entire world is being convulsed by a religious struggle,” Robertson said last August in Norfolk. “The struggle is whether ... the moon god of Mecca known as Allah is supreme, or whether the Judeo-Christian Jehovah, God of the Bible, is supreme.”

Oh Well! Like Coulter said, we should kill their men and convert them to Christianity.

These are the folks that now hold power in America. God Help Us!

[no name no slogan]

1. Oh Sweet Jeebus-- not that "Moon God" sh!t again

"Allah is the Moon God" is a favorite talking point of the religious right. Too bad it's been disproven over and over again-- not just by Muslims, but by 'god-fearing' Christians too.

Allah have mercy on these idiots' souls...

[Bill McBlueState]

7. about the "Moon God"

It's like the old question, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" Some people say Allah is a "Moon God" while others say Allah is the same as the Christian god. It's not like one can devise a test to conclusively prove which god Allah is.

So the thing to do in a modern pluralistic society is to let the ones who worship Allah define who Allah is.

I don't think the Tali-bornagains can even begin to understand that, though.

[Zynx]

11. Wrong. Allah = God = the LORD

There's no question at all that its the same God. He uses the same angels and the same prophets. This is why Christians and Jews are considered "People of the Book" - same God. The Muslims most certainly believe that Allah is the same omnipotent God - the God of Abraham.

Moon God is pure fundie BS.

[Clark2008]

2. Moon god of Mecca?

:wtf:

Apparently, Robertson needs to go back to divinity school and learn that the origin of Allah is the same as God, since, well, Mr. Robertson, it's the same "being."

[Bill McBlueState]

3. their view of the tsunami

Chris Grady, a Regent student studying to become a missionary, said December’s Indian Ocean tsunamis created an opening for Christian-based relief groups to deliver aid and demonstrate Christ-like compassion.

The tsunami wasn't a tragedy for these types, it was an OPENING. This is the morality of the Christian fundamentalist. The me-first attitude inherent in evangelical Christianity is the source of a lot of the problems modern society faces.

When your primary concern is "getting saved" and your next concern is getting everyone else "saved," you're not going to be responsive to the real problems in the world, and you'll make a lot of things worse. Like relations with the Muslim world.

[maxrandb]

12. That Part Stood Out for Me Too McBlueState

Anyone who could find any thing positive out of that devastating tsunami is just a "sandwich or two short of a picnic basket"!

Why, that's like saying 9/11 offered us a perfect opportunity to open up a can of "whoop-ass" and cut taxes. Oh wait, I think someone actaully did say that and got elected.

Was it Ghandi that said something like; "I have heard of this Jesus Christ. I like him very much. If only his followers were more like him"

Anyway, I think he said something like that. Don't have time to look for the exact quote.

[Aristus]

24. "I would have become a Christian, but I met too many of them."

I think that's word-for-word.

[whistle]

4. That should sit really well with the world's 1.8 billion Muslims

[msongs]

5. christians oughta just murder the muslims..oops theyve already tried that.

been murdering muslims by the millions, hasnt done the fundies any good so far.

(Don’t blame me, I voted for Howard).

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[liberal N proud]

6. And still we wonder why they hate the US in the Mid East

We wonder why there are terrorist bent on killing Americans.

[anarchy1999]

8. Robertson is well qualified to recognize "moon god" worshipers, see

this link for just how well connected he is the Reverend Sun Moon and the "moonie" organization.

The Unholy Alliance -
Christianity & The NWO
Part I

The Bilderbergs.
The Trilateral Commission.
The Council of Foreign Relations.
The Central Intelligence Agency.

Most everyone has heard of these groups and some of the conspiracy theories surrounding them regarding the development of the 'New World Order.'

Now imagine for a moment there is something to this (and there appears to be no lack of documented material justifying these theories). That would mean that at almost every elevated level of business and government, world wide, men and women have infiltrated, become the controlling administrators and are working to effectively control every aspect of the life of the "world citizen."

One aspect of this that has not been properly searched out is the "religious" connection. Surely, given that much of the world is religious, and in the currently reigning SuperPower nation of the U.S., predominantly "Christian," then it would only make sense that these organizations have infiltrated the Church itself and are also actively leading it to into the New World Order as well.

Do the worlds leading Christian evangelicals have ties to these organizations?

Yes they do, and it is thoroughly documented.

http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy.htm

[UCLA Dem]

9. I'd like to see their reaction if the Muslims tried to convert them.

Those loonies...."they're not our enemy"..."but we're going into 'enemy' territory."

Will someone please give pat robertson the straight jacket he so desperately needs??!!

[emanymton]

10. Enemy?? How Many Gods Are There? ...

Another group making stupidity work for them.


Help me puleese.


Bush Lied, People Died, Religion Cheered

[kiraboo]

13. My fundie ex-neighbor made a comment about four years ago...

A speaker had come to his evanglistic church - the guy claimed to be ex-CIA - and gave a talk on the government's intent to move into the middle-east for strategic reasons. This was before 9/11. He was interested in spreading the word not because of the political implications but because a stable and accepted American presence over there would provide tremendous opportunities for evangelism. At the time my husband and I laughed it off as just part of this guy's familiar ravings. Now I'm wondering if the speaker actually knew what he was talking about. I'm thinking yes.

[Voltaire99]

20. Please post more details about this

Here or via instant message. Thanks.

[pauliedangerously]

14. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism...

Converting a fundie muslim to a fundie christian is like converting a crack addict to a heroin addict.

[maxrandb]

15. ROTFLMAO

Never heard it put that way Paulie, but that is B-E-A-Utiful.

I feel like Sysophus(sp) sometimes. As a Dem, just rolling that rock up a hill just to see it come rolling back down again.

Didn't we already fight the Crusades???

Wonder why they don't go over and try to convert the Jews? I mean come on evangelist' the Jews are already "half-way there".

[pauliedangerously]

27. "Wonder why they don't go over and try to convert the Jews?"

They only go after easy targets. In fact, one of the best ways to get a fundie missionary off of your front porch is to say that you're Jewish.

You know, Max, our lives are short and this trend we are witnessing will probably continue after we're dead. I grew up in Hampton Roads Virginia--Pat Roberson's backyard. I used to get into arguments with born-again reformed fuck ups all the time. I used to enjoy it, but after living in the Midwest for over a decade, I really don't care anymore about what baloney people believe.

I can hang out with Muslims and take shots at Christians, Christians and take shots at Muslims, but boy oh boy, don't throw their own dogma in THEIR face. HA!! There's really no difference between the two. As far as Jews go, I learned the best Jewish jokes when I worked in a Kosher-style Deli in Norfolk, VA.

Having witnessed the human experience for almost four decades, except for the most primitive thinkers, I don't think people really believe the things they say they do. I think it's a tacit pyramid scheme, and most of these "believers" are just out to score brownie points with the big fat douche bag behind the pulpit. It's a pitiful means of acquiring self-worth.

I have asserted to many who have tried to convert me that I cannot profess a belief in God because I have none. I further say that doing so may placate them, but that would make me a hypocrite, and if there really were a God, He would know that I was being a hypocrite and wouldn't let me into heaven anyway, so why lie?

I consider all of the people who have admitted to me that they question their faith, yet profess to believe, and I wonder if they will be forgiven for their hypocrisy if there really is a Saint Peter guarding the pearly gates.

Imagine the bureaucracy in heaven with all of those souls. It's hard enough to manage six billion people on Earth. Maybe that's why God hasn't appeared for a few thousand years...He's too busy managing the after world. What does everyone do there anyway? Are there separate sections for people of different faiths?

Certainly with that many souls, there must be a pecking order or some sort of hierarchy...God forbid that heaven follows a communistic model. And what of order? With that many souls, there must be rules. What happens when rules are broken? What is it that makes a fuck up think that he's going to be any less of a fuck up in the afterlife?

I just don't get it. Obviously I'm missing something. Of course, I forgot about FM---fantastic magic--the same thing that makes computers work, and televisions, and CD players, and iPods, and the INTERNET, and nuclear bombs, and tsunamis, and light bulbs, and bulldozers, and sunspots, and cordless drills, and silly putty, and Pop Rocks, and electric guitars, and air compressors, and caller-ID boxes, and pacemakers, and Viagra, and, and, and...uh, you can't get fooled again! (That's an intentional juxtaposition of Howard Dean and GWb (the little bush...the suffix of the BFEE))

That's my rant for tonight. Thanks for the compliment. This message was brought to you by the winemakers of Geyser Peak, CA.

Peace and long life.

[Voltaire99]

19. Lovely aphorism, Paulie--don't miss this one, folks (n/t)

[pauliedangerously]

28. Thanks for the compliment

Please read my reply to maxrandb. Love your screen name. I was a big fan of Voltaire in college. See you around. I kind of wore myself out writing my reply to max.

A plus tard, mon ami!

[KamaAina]

16. Don't we have to kill all their leaders first

before we convert them to Christianity?

I mean, it's not like Coulter would have been lying or anything... </sarcasm>

[KamaAina]

17. Marion "Pat" Robertson: Another Yale-educated moran

just like Gee Dubya Bush '68.

"Make no mistake, the entire world is being convulsed by a religious struggle," Robertson said last August in Norfolk. "The struggle is whether ... the moon god of Mecca known as Allah is supreme, or whether the Judeo-Christian Jehovah, God of the Bible, is supreme."

"Moon god"?! Has Pat been munching on the 'shrooms again? 'Allah' is simply the word for God in Arabic. The many Arabic-speaking Christians (espcially numerous in Lebanon) and, yes, a few Arabic-speaking Jews all use 'Allah' to refer to 'God'.

It's the SAME God, moran!

[noonwitch]

18. A big missionary project means a telethon for funds!

Please join the 700 Club so you can contribute to bringing the word of God to muslims everywhere! We need lots of money, so Pat can buy a new Lincoln to drive to all the fundraisers! Contribute to Regents University so that christians will be trained to fight the atheists in the court and make wholesome movies!

[bunkerbuster1]

22. If this Radical Cleric could get away with calling the God worshipped by

mainline Christians a "moon God," he would.

Only he can't. Well, not yet, anyway.

[Voltaire99]

21. God, Inc.

As the holy caravans set forth on their newest crusade, let us hope they fare well as they ply those dark, hazardous corners of the world where they carry the banner of God, Inc (incorporated in Bermuda; headquarters in Kansas, USA; newest holdings in Baghdad, Iraq).

Oh, for this I pray, dear Lord. ;-)

[Jacobin]

23. "My Gawd is better than your Gawd...."

And if you don't convert, I'll fucking kill you"

Thomas Jefferson had it right. Leave the fucking loons OUT of the fucking government.

[roguevalley]

25. Preach this to the Muslims in their countries, prepare to bleed.

[deadparrot]

26. These people piss me off.

Fundies of any religion generally suck.

That is all.