[Horowitz] admits Colorado exam story is phony

[alarcojon]

Right-wing activist David Horowitz, the president of Students for Academic Freedom (SAF), which purports to fight anti-conservative bias on the nation's college campuses, has admitted that a story highly publicized by his group concerning alleged events at the University of Northern Colorado (UNC) "appears to be wrong," and that "our presentation of this case appears now to have had several faults." Horowitz made the concession in an article posted on FrontPageMag.com, his online magazine, on March 15, under the headline, "Correction: Some of Our Facts Were Wrong, But Our Point Was Right."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200503160001

Choice quote:

"So while we apologize for not having fully checked and corrected this story, we conclude that our complaint about the exam was justified."

[w4rma]

1. That's alot worse than the AWOL memos not being totally proven

either false or true.

[Mugsy]

26. EXACTLY! Sounds familiar, don't it?

"Our facts were wrong, but our general point was accurate"?

I wonder what they had to say on the CBS "Guard Memos"?

[ktowntennesseedem]

41. Yep. They wouldn't let Rather get away with that explanation.

In fact, no one could prove that Rather got the facts WRONG; his only sin was pushing a questionable document as a sure thing.

[bergamot]

46. It's funny

that Horowitz parades this issue in the context of academia. Just try offering the "facts are wrong, but the point is correct" approach to one's dissertation committee.

[Old and In the Way]

58. Sorta like, "true, I found out that the sun doesn't revolve

around the Earth....but the point is, that it looks like it does."

[AlCzervik]

2. i just got done reading that, Horowitz is a human stain

i am so glad the Brock started that site.

[ananda]

35. whorowits

new name

[Name removed]

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[Ms. Clio]

56. Why is Brock "not one to be emulated?"

Explain.

[Old and In the Way]

59. Because he tells the truth now.

Republicans like him a lot more when he was doing Clinton character assassinations.

[Ms. Clio]

65. Yes, I knew it was something like that ;)

I just wanted to hear it straight from the troll's mouth.

[Midlodemocrat]

3. What a completely despicable person he is.

Where is the liberal media when you need them?

[ninkasi]

73. We have a liberal media?

n/t

[aquart]

4. What Colorado exam story?

[AlCzervik]

5. go to media matters, all the links are there n/t

[Fenris]

6. Asshat.

[gratuitous]

7. "Some of Our Facts Were Wrong"

In other words, to bolster his dubious point, Horowitz turned to the old reliable standby of "making shit up." Because that's okay if you're a Republican.

You know, some of these nutjobs who want to post the 10 commandments everywhere would do well to read through them occasionally. I see one that says "Don't bear false witness" but I don't see one that says "Screw the powerless and the vulnerable by making shit up."

[Fovea]

12. THank you

You get right to the heart of the matter.

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

16. IOKIYAR

Facts are for liberals

[Kber]

38. And Liberals are for Facts

[Greybnk48]

8. This story was at least in part responsible for suggesting

legislation in seveal states to allow monitoring of university professors by legislators, parents and their children (high school grads). The MO is to create an imaginary problem and propose a solution. What he and his group are trying to do is very dangerous.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. LOL! Repub motto: Ideology without facts.

[BrklynLiberal]

10. Thanks for the post. Will be forwarding this info.

[bloom]

11. I would like to see the slandered professor file a lawsuit

and for Horowitz to get his ass kicked. Maybe a few lawsuits would slow him down.

[Greybnk48]

13. The student should be brought up on charges of academic misconduct as well

[Viking12]

18. The real kicker, the Professor is a registered Republican

Tattered Poster Child

Because while a Northern Colorado spokeswoman acknowledged Monday that a complaint had been filed, she also said that the test question was not the one described by Horowitz, the grade was not an F, and there were clearly non-political reasons for whatever grade was given. And the professor who has been held up as an example of out-of-control liberal academics? In an interview last night, he said that he's a registered Republican.

http://www.insidehighered.com/insider/tattered_poster_child

[ProfessorGAC]

29. I Am NOT!

So stop saying that!
The Professor

[Viking12]

32. Well then Horowitz will certainly want a piece of you...

...you left-wing radical, anti-american, terrorist sympathising, free-speech squashing, liberal indoctrinator.

See, he was right all along. ;)

[UCLA Dem]

31. Too Funny!!! They're on a witch hunt and can't even find the witches!!!

those morons are dumber than a doornail and don't have the sense God gave a goose!

[EST]

48. In the junior college of theft, sleaze and shame,

these scoundrels were genius personified and must have been the pride of the varsity with their innate ability to recognize a golden opportunity for flimming the flam on any less sleaze-astute mortals. I have met some impressively capable rounders whose social graces and general intellectual ham-handedness would have kept them at the foot of the table had not their inordinate ability demanded more consideration.

Being brilliant at creating solutions for feeding the planet or making a dollar for HIV treatment do the work of two or three differs so greatly from the mental shortcuts and instant sizing up for the plucking abilities that serve the thief quite admirably.

What you get is the sort of creep who can love his family dearly and yet have absolutely no sense of personal responsibility for someone whom nature has dealt a disastrous blow, without also giving lair space to the twin vultures of excessive "daddyism," wherein the creep assumes the mantle of responsibility for your spiritual and moral development, and a thick skinned clarity of moral superiority over the uninitiated; making "I love you" mean a heavier thumb on the head, punching you a little deeper into the mud.

Peeeyyeeww-the bright and shining self-inflated protector with feet of clay and a load of bigotry to pour into the first available open mind shows off his genius at being a crook and con man while flipping the switch that enables his little praise robots to crank up the "oh God, you're good," or "oh good, you're God" routine!

[Tansy_Gold]

57. What a marvelous post!

Sweet heaven, but I love good writing!

[EST]

66. Thank you.

Coming from you, high praise, indeed!

[Carolab]

70. You mean they have a gift for exploitation but no shame?

n/t

[EST]

78. No shame-

That, probably, is the real bottom line in politics and other criminal activities.
The concept of shame seems to imply an ability to put one's self in another's shoes and look back- finding oneself lacking. This facility appears to be wholly lacking in most of the common criminals and political hacks I have experience with.
I think most, if not all, of us have a part of our minds, personalities, whatever, that wishes for a simpler time, a straight shootin', steely eyed mini-world, where where we, ourselves, are the central figures and other lives are Hollywood extras, to be floated in and out as needed in support of the main event.

In most sane people, this is only a tiny picture, drifting by just as we are wishing we hadn't said what we said to the new neighbor on discovering the damage her dog had done to the new flowerbeds. Of course, if she hadn't blamed us for leaving the garbage can lid off and tempting the stupid dog... Anyhow, most people realize that this is the real world and one must handle real problems and provide realistic solutions. There is also the fact that these are real people and we really do love them and they really do love us. We owe our fellow beings (and ourselves) the very best performance we are capable of, since we have only this one chance to interact with others.
A sizable minority (one of my fondest hopes is that they are only a minority) seems to be unable to tell the difference between the real, here-now world and their imaginary me first, tough guy world. In that imaginary, tough guy world, no one has to say, "I'm sorry." Other people are only there as paper tigers, ready to concede and support, ready to pat you on the back and tell you how wonderful you are, to be used and love it.
That minority provides us with all the crooks and politicians we can handle.
That minority has also managed to swindle its way into power, the first time to this deplorable extent, and, consequently, the whole world is in jeopardy.

[UCLA Dem]

30. i hope s/he does! that jerk deserves it!

[rocktivity]

14. "Our Facts Were Wrong, But Our Point Was Right"

If neocon-artists have a mantra, that's it.

:headbang:
rockantion

[cthrumatrix]

19. time for him to "lose his job" and sued for libel

[Career Prole]

15. The Rude Pundit spoke on Whoreowitz yesterday.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/03/why-david-horowitz-is-infant-part-1.html

Spoke well, too! :7

[displacedtexan]

17. Looks like Horrorwitless's lawyer is involved.

Otherwise, there is no way on God's green earth that the little fascist would apologize for lying.

[warrens]

20. I'd lost track of Davy-boy since the Salon days

What a lying piece of shit he is. If you follow the links, he piles on another obviously bogus story about a Kuwaiti 17 year old who was flunked for writing a paper lauding the U.S. Constitution instead of trashing it.

These people are totally insane. Horrorwitz is a drooling imbecile. He as an idiot when he was hanging around with Black Panthers and he's even more of one now. (Does anyone remember when he used to come on threads at TableTalk to defend his idiotic Salon columns? It was a real laff riot; he is a very stupid person and he'd get cut to pieces, then leave in a huff claiming that we had seen the last of him. Finally, Salon got rid of him, but he was pretty entertaining while he lasted.)

[bunkerbuster1]

47. Horowitz used to be a Stalinist, now he's a Fascist.

A real stretch, huh?

[Art_from_Ark]

69. The same can be said for China

It's apparently a matter of going where the bucks are

[Bouncy Ball]

21. BWA!!!!

From the media matters article:

"The article also reported that the professor Horowitz and SAF attacked, Robert Dunkley, is a registered Republican."

So the professor they accused of giving a loaded, anti-bush question to the class, the professor they accused of failing a student because she wrote about Saddam Hussein, is a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN.

That's right, Horowitz, KEEP doing shit like that!

LOL!

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. Why is Horowitz the president of a student organization?

He stopped being a student like three decades ago.

Brings up another point. When he was a member of SDS, was he an FBI plant or did he just suffer some kind of psychotic break that led him to switch sides?

[tinanator]

39. I think thats pretty obvious

there wasnt exactly a "hands-off" policy back in the golden age of
C O I N T E L P R O

[Griffy]

42. all the easier to brainwash students... especial when you have no facts!nt

[Ken Burch]

55. Horowitz had an accountant friend who rather foolishly chose to audit

the books of the East Bay chapter of the Black Panthers and
was killed for doing so(There is some evidence that Horowitz
was warned that this friend was in danger and did not pass
on the warning.)

Because the killing was not denounced as universally as it
should have been(or at least to the degree that Horowitz thought
it should be)Horowitz developed an insane, vindictive
rage against everyone in this country whose political view
were to the left of Attila the Hun and has devoted himself to the
destruction of the American left and American liberalism as well.

And he's never let it go.

[Tomee450]

67. Because of the incident involving the

accountant, Horowitz developed a deep hatred of blacks. A few years ago he said something to the effect that blacks should not complain about slavery since African Americans now had the highest standard of living of any blacks in the world.

[Ken Burch]

68. What is even stranger about the "accountant incident" is this:

The first piece of Horowitz' writing I ever read was a piece he wrote with Peter Collier(it was syndicated in the sunday Seattle PI in late 1984)about why the two of them had voted for Reagan.

At that time, Horowitz stated that he supported Reagan on foreign policy but was still left-wing on social and economic issues.

This was eight years AFTER the accountant incident.

[gjb]

71. I think you just answered your own question and Jerry Rubin was a.....

Covert Multi Level Marketer.

[struggle4progress]

Lying: it's a hard habit to kick. eom

[displacedtexan]

23. That apology is as plain as day!

"So while we apologize for not having fully checked and corrected this story, we conclude that our complaint about the exam was justified."

What an asswipe!

[wryter2000]

24. Well then,

I guess he'll slink off like Dan Rather, huh? :eyes:

[MisterP]

25. not at all a surprise: what really happens never matters

[EST]

27. More straw dummies...

N/T

[UCLA Dem]

28. nice apology. "we wrong....but not really.....so we sort of apologize..."

[depakid]

33. In other words THEY LIED

and the retraction- such as it is, will only receive a tiny fraction of the pulicity that was generated by the false accusations.

I think the professor here should sue both Poe, Horowitz and their organizations for libel.

[msanthrope]

34. It would be perfect justice--Horowitz having to cut a check

to Churchill, wouldn't it?

[gnofg]

36. People

like this has a real problem because they have no moral compass. Most people who are so far one way quite often flip and go completely the other way. Bill Bennett was about to join SDS in the sixties and his brother talked him out of it. Think how self righteous he is now.

[Catherine Vincent]

37. This buttwipe think just because he was a liberal and helped

during the civil rights marches, it entitles him to be right just because he turned conservative. I change the channel whenever he's on cspan.

[Lisa]

40. what a great motto -- I'm going to steal it!

Whenever I'm abjectly WRONG but don't want to admit it -- I'll quote Horowitz! (Of course I'll cite him. Liberal academics have principles, unlike some people.)

If some of your facts are wrong, doesn't that make your argument more of, say, an "unsupported opinion"? (A nicer way of saying that you don't know what you're talking about?)

[acmejack]

43. Following in the illustrious footsteps...

of such (Un)distinguished alumni as Grover Norquist and Karl the Master.

[tom_paine]

44. The only thing that surprises me is when a Bushevik accepts ANY tiny

portion of responsibility. Tepid, but rather astinishing for Busheviks, Nazi, Commies, or ANY Totalitarians.

[Cocoa]

45. just donated to MediaMatters.org

Someone has to keep an eye on the very dangerous David Horowitz, and MediaMatters is doing a great job.

The mainstream media sure as hell isn't doing it. :mad:

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[alarcojon]

52. His link was included in the link I provided

But as a public service to you, here it is:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17370


:eyes:

on edit: you might notice that MediaMatters does its homework, listing relevant material from all sides.

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[alarcojon]

54. So sorry I wasn't "fair and balanced" enough for you.

Enjoy your stay at DU.

[sonicx]

60. the only DU requirement is to link to the breaking news article being...

posted.

Enjoy your stay.

[Old and In the Way]

62. "why President Bush was a war criminal,"

That was the question. Why is that so difficult to answer? Here's a short answer that'd benn good for at least a B: "Bush/Cheney planned to invade Iraq before 9/11 to steal their oil. They lied to Congress and the World that Iraq WMD and used that as the pretext to support their invasion and occupation. In the process 100,000+ innocent Iraqis have been killed."

I'm sure you and Horowitcz would have had no problem if the teacher had asked "why was Clinton's impeachment justified"? The point of the question would be to give answers that support the teacher's argument. Not whether the student likes the question or not. That's not how it works. Teachers ask questions, students give answers.

I guess the lesson to be learned here is that Republicans should not be asked questions that might challenge their faulty biases and force them to think.

[MsMagnificent]

74. Dang! There you go again!

You have the BEST posts!!!

*SOO Jealous* :P

[Old and In the Way]

76. Thank you Ms!

You keep reading 'em and I'll keep zinging 'em!

:-)

[Orsino]

50. Isn't Horowitz a bit old...

...to be presidents of Students For anything?

Is this like the male CWA spokesperson?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

61. "We lied through our teeth, but so what...

We'll still get away with it because you're all stupid idiots."

Or words to that effect.

[Voltaire99]

63. Ah, but careful! Horowitz should be a cautionary lesson

Some of you who carry the flag of brutal neoliberalism, who pant after winning strategies that broaden the tent to include every manner of corporate fixer, imperialist, Bible-thumper, and apologist for privilege...

...should pay heed. Caricature that he is, Horowitz is not terribly far from your positions now; he might well be your future.

Let us not forget that it's only been five years since the party ran as vice-president a man seemingly plucked from Horowitz' side...

Let's not forget that the woman touted as the next big thing has been running about Iraq praising occupation and cozying up to the anti-abortion right here at home...

Worry more about your own Horowitzian tendencies! :-)

[Mr_Spock]

64. OK, so when is this POS gonna go to jail?

Or does he have to wait 'till he dies to burn in hell?

[Azathoth]

72. Horowitz admits he is wrong, declares himself right anyway

What else is new :eyes:

[The Animator]

75. Slander?!

"David Horowitz admits Colorado exam story is phony after accusing Media Matters of slander."

I can't help but think of another great quote in response:

"If you print that it's slander!"

"It is not! I resent that! Slander is spoken, in print it's libel."-J. Jonah Jameson

[kbm8170]

77. I think Horowitz might as well hang up this career

and sign on with USA NEXT. . .oops...I forgot.