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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 12:48 AM Original message |
Fight over Howard Dean papers goes before Vermont's high court |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. I hope they rule in favor |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. except this is a witch hunt - this isn't about being open |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:12 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I'm sorry |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. dipshit didn't do the same thing??? Or worse?? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. If you think it's OK for Dean to do it |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Guess what? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I know he did |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Not to Mention The Papers That "Disappeared" |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I absolutely agree. I thought it was seriously bad when Dean did this. |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. "He admitted it was political" |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. This was not a joke an article on this was also in the Boston Globe . |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I'm talking about the original interview |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. He has stated this on several occasions during which he was NOT |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Can you provide links for any of those other times? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Then he has no cause to criticize Chaney or Bush for executive |
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ProudToBeLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 06:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. you didn't answer his question.... nt |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
105. evil Dean evil!!! |
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Blue to the bone (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Words of wisdom Dookus, words of wisdom. n/t |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. If the work product is a state elected official... |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Of course |
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bilgewaterbill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I agree. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I just hope you tell the family of the gay person who gets killed |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. That is blatantly untrue |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I posted a letter several times |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. The sealed records account for |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Then why can't I see Kerry's or Edwards' or any other Congress persons |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Because |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. It depends on what they are |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. I disagree |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Dookus, I understand and appreciate your point, |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Janx... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. The only reservations I'm aware of on Dean's part relating to |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. And NOBODY |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
106. and you've been bashing Dean since '03 |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. How do you know what is in those records? They were sealed. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Really it would |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. i know, cause you're an ass |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. Oh, sure Judicial Watch thinks they need to get Dean's records. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
6. Judicial Watch should not have standing to pursue public access |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. We all have such standing as citizens. Why shouldn't they have it? |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
52. We ALL don't have standing when it is for the state of Vermont |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
7. If Dean's records are opened then maybe |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
8. If someone is governor of Vermont for 24 years??? |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
15. Can't support Dean on this one. |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
21. Dean should open his records |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Really? |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 12:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Thanks, and when I want to be called childish |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 12:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. ALL officials should have their records open! Why should Dean be an |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Wes Clark opened all of his records for view voluntarily in a NH library |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. I didn't call you childish |
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Hamsta1 (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. So then it's acceptable for * to keep his records sealed |
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Blue to the bone (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. I'd rather be on the side of the half of government that's open. n/t |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. This statement is acceptable to you? See post 30 |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Did TANG have possession |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 03:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. If they wanted them they probably could have gotten them after the |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
31. Bush's records were ruled subject to the Texas FOIA and were shipped back |
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Carolab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. You mean, except for the ones they shredded. The incriminating ones. n/t |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. shredding and the openess of the tang |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Probably. Gag! I am not defending Bush. All I am saying is the Bush's |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Would you please supply a link to that affect? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I 'll look for it. I just googled it as well. That was where I found it. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 02:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Here is where they are but I will find the other info. |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Here are the links to the various articles! Enjoy! |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. They're back in TX but they aren't catalogued and the AG can nix requests |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. So what? You can't get anything at all from Dean! |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. The state of VT is handling the case |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Only because Dean won't sign a piece of paper releasing the |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. That isn't all that's involved |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. No. He has to request they be opened. He has to fill out a form and |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Dean has nothing to do with this now. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Dean can release all the records |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 04:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Transparency in government? What a concept! Wouldn't you like to see the |
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ProudToBeLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 06:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
68. my question is why are you defending bush and demeaning dean? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. I am not defending Bush. He is slime. Everyone knows that he has had the |
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MIScott87 (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
61. For goodness' sakes, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!! |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. get over what? |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
63. Notice if there are paper that involve a Bush are never released. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. The question isn't whether other politicians have sealed records... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Deleted message |
Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Because |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. What a cop out. Dookus doesn't defend the consealment |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. I didn't mean to cause a problem with this. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. well |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. I agree |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
73. We turn over Dean papers when Cheney |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 07:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. You really think that's a valid answer? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. If it will help solve 911 then yeah I do. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:41 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I'm not understanding... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
97. No I don't think Dean should be able to seal his records |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
79. The election is O V E R .... |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 09:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. This has nothing to do with the election |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. The will we be seeing Tom DeLay's papers?? Or Hatch's or |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. so would I |
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Rose Siding (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. If you don't agree with the protocol, lobby VT to change it |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. they ALL bother me |
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hansolsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-12-05 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
84. Dean can't be elected dog catcher with those records sealed. That's just |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. agreed. |
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ProudToBeLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
92. Court to decide if Dean's papers go public |
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GCP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. If Bush can seal his governorship records |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 08:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. No records are sealed |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. simply, it goes against principal.... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. That's what I can't figure out--why? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-13-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. George W. Bush's records |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. How is Dean equated with the president of the U.S.? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. janx |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. this is someone who has been trashing Dean |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-14-05 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
102. I like Howard Dean, but |
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