Neocons join the lynch mob for ‘arrogant’ Rumsfeld

[seemslikeadream]

Sarah Baxter, New York

THE American defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, should be sacked, according to a growing chorus of conservative commentators who want him replaced by a figure with wider appeal.
In a seemingly innocuous Thanksgiving message to readers last week, William Kristol, the neoconservative editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, slipped in a surprise demand for Rumsfeld’s dismissal.

“What remains to be done is to announce new leadership for the department of defence,” wrote Kristol. “This, surely, would be an important opportunity for a strong, Bush-doctrine-supporting outsider, someone who of course would be a team player, but someone who could also work with the military and broaden support for the president’s policy.”

Boiled down, this meant: almost anybody but Rumsfeld, whose performance has not always matched his swagger. His failure to install enough troops on the ground after last year’s invasion of Iraq has upset American generals and alienated supporters of the war.

“I am allergic to Rumsfeld,” said Ralph Peters, a former lieutenant-colonel and robust media champion of the war on terror. “We did a great thing in Iraq, but we did it very badly.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1378195,00.html

Thanks to The Crazy Canadian in GD

[knowbody0]

1. rumsfield's insanity makes him perfect for george's hubris

house of cards falling down.

[Just Me]

2. Too much "arrogance" in one bucket,...

,...makes for the most interesting scuffles among the rats.

Billy Kristol, the epitome of a smirk-driven neocon, has repulsed my mind, heart and spirit. He wouldn't be condemning Rummy unless he already knew that a change was coming. Perhaps a "nuke them all" DOD secretary is in the works.

[ablebody]

19. Rumsfeld's arrogance holds sway over administration

Yes, Rums has to go. Maybe in his absense Bush will have to start making more decisions on his own. Maybe McCain for Defense?

[IndianaGreen]

22. McCain is not a neocon, and conservatives don't trust him

Perhaps they will put another politico in the Pentagon, like the dismal Porter Goss at CIA, in order to force into retirement all those Pentagon careerists that are as appalled about the Iraq invasion as the rest of us. They want obedience!

[Just Me]

30. McCain is ruled by his PTSD,...

,...and would be a perfect puppet to advance PNAC,...

,...in my humble opinion,...

[jdj]

33. you're probably right about that.

they'll replace him with someone worse.

I"m entertained that he may fall on his own sword of arrogance though.

[Julius Civitatus]

They want Wolfowitz

They want someone willing to drop a nuke on Iran or invade France. Even Rummy the Ruthless is too tame for his bunch. Wolfowitz, a true neocon believer, is what the neo-cons consider "likeable."

I'm not joking.

[chookie]

55. Yes -- they will replace him with Wolfowitz

Even RUMSFELD has muttered publically about how Wolfowitz is dictating policy to president pinhead.

They want Wolfowitz. Rumsfeld isn't nuts enough for them.

Wolfowitz is "bullet-proof." Sure, some Democratic Senator, maybe even a sane Republican, will raise certain questions during his confirmation hearings, but he will play the same card Uncle Clarence did -- he, and the flying monkeys, will claim that ANY opposition to Wolfowitz is SOLELY because of anti-Semitism.

The bastard ALREADY uses his Jewish identity to deflect criticism or discussion.

Here's the script Mr Rove wrote for 2005: anyone who doesn't worship Condi is racist and anti-women; anyone who questions Wolfowitz is a fucking Nazi -- that goes for Americans, and all of our "allies" worldwide. The flying monkeys, and His Chimperial Highness Himself, will constantly make the point that Mr Chirac and Mr Shroeder, etc just aren't as accepting of women and minorities as George W Bush, who is clearly progressive and enlightened.

And a prediction: The Democrats will cave. Again. Don't have to be Nostradamus to figure that one out.

It won't play well with out "allies" though. Just when you think they couldn't hate Americans anymore....

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Does anyone else see the plot of "Dr Strangelove"

on the horizon here?

[snippy]

21. My thought exactly. n/t

[Julius Civitatus]

43. Yup. "Sir! I have a plan! "

"Based on the findings of the report, my conclusion was that this idea was not a practical deterrent for reasons which at this moment must be all too obvious."

[ooglymoogly]

4. ever see nazis fight amongst themselves

it ain't a pretty picture

[cliss]

5. My, how quickly they turn.

Willaim Kristol, Father of the NeoCons. He's been grumbling lately, about things not going "as well as planned". What's the matter, William? Got stuck in the mud in Iraq with your wheels spinning? When you had bigger, better plans in Iran, Syria and North Korea. tsk tsk. Oh, and the cost of this little adventure. You didn't exactly plan on that, did you?

What a shame. You certainly didn't complain when Rumsfailed led the march to Iraq last year.

Notice Kristol's statement, "a strong, Bush-suppporting OUTSIDER". He means here that the new leader of the Pentagon should be not a military man, but an outsider.

This has been one of my biggest complaints about RumsFailed: he is a civilian leading the military. I believe this is one of the biggest reasons why there has been non-stop warfare at the Pentagon: RumsFool has no loyalty to the Generals or the military in general. That's why he gladly outsourced so much to the mercenary contractors.

Thanks for nothing, Kristol..

[Just Me]

8. Billy rejects humility,...

,...and has no capacity to be humble. Hence, I cannot imagine that he is operating without some "foreword" about what is to come. Being "wrong" is not within his vocabulary regardless of reality.

[burrowowl]

25. A certain time has to

go by before a retired military person can become Sec of Defense. The idea is that the military should always be under civilian control to prevent a military coup. The Greeks called this ostracims, a military leader could not become a civilian leader after a certain number of years to prevent the fog of 'glory' from upsetting government.

[stevedeshazer]

26. Kristol is a carrion-eater

I love the gruesome sight of him picking at Rummy's corpse.

[chookie]

57. They need a scapegoat

First, Tenet.

Then, Powell.

Now Rumsfeld.

They need someone to blame for the misery in Iraq, and someone "fresh" to launch a new occupation based on the stale old story line about hidden nuclear weapons and imminent threats.

Rummy is an utter creep, but he's not as "loyal" as His Chimperial Majesty thinks he should be.

History will show that while Rumsfeld had a BIG role in "Mess-o-potamia", he was, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, a restraining hand without whom it could have been a lot worse. Far crazier men than Rumsfeld had His Chimperial Majesty's ear. Rummy, from time to time, when confronted by the press about how badly things are going in Iraq, has complained that "there are OTHER people, not just me, creating these policies".

It's about to get much worse.... Much much worse.

[jokerman93]

6. LOL Even KristoL??

"In a seemingly innocuous Thanksgiving message to readers last week, William Kristol, the neoconservative editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, slipped in a surprise demand for Rumsfeld’s dismissal."

Ever the Neocon Uberbrains are distancing themselves from their Frankenstein! This is so ironic. It also may mean things have gotten farther out of control than even the PNACers originally fantasized. Could it be that Bushco has used the neocons as much as it's used the christian right?

If so, we're down the rabbit hole already. Hold on to your hats folks!

[seemslikeadream]

7. "wink and a nod"

According to Pentagon and Justice Department sources, U.S. investigators discovered that Ahmad Chalabi and his business partners were involved in fraudulently obtaining cellular phone licenses in Iraq. The Pentagon's Undersecretary of Defense for International Technology Security John (Jack) Shaw smelled a neo-con rat when the Iraqi Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), in late 2003, awarded cellular phone contracts to three companies - Orascom, Atheer, and Asia-Cell - with ties to Ahmed Chalabi. As with all those who challenge the impropriety and illegal activities of the neo-cons, Shaw was, in turn, charged with improperly steering Iraq cell phone contracts to Qualcomm and Lucent. However, it is Shaw, reported by his longtime colleagues to be a solid and trustworthy public servant, who has the confidence of law enforcement, Pentagon investigators, and the military brass. Anything with Ahmed Chalabi's fingerprints on it also bears the fingerprints of his nephew Salem Chalabi. Salem, named as the chief prosecutor in Saddam Hussein's trial, is a law partner of L. Marc Zell, a Jerusalem-based attorney who was the law partner of Douglas Feith - the head of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans that concocted phony intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al Qaeda with the assistance of Likud operatives seconded by Ariel Sharon's government.

The law firm of Feith & Zell, in concert with Perle, was instrumental in funneling hundreds of millions of dollars from Arab and Muslim countries to the Bosnian government during that nation's civil war. While that effort was ostensibly designed to assist the Bosnians to purchase weapons, officials familiar with its actual operation reported that some of the arms and money "spilled over" to Al Qaeda and Iranian Pasdaran forces in the Balkans.

The neo-con attack on Shaw was predictable considering their previous attacks on Ambassador Joe Wilson, his wife Valerie Plame, former U.S. Central Command chief General Anthony Zinni, former counter-terrorism coordinator Richard Clarke, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, CIA counter-terrorism agent Michael Scheuer (the "anonymous" author of Imperial Hubris who has recently been gagged by the Bush administration), fired FBI translator Sibel Edmonds (who likely discovered a penetration by Israeli and other intelligence assets using the false flag of the Turkish American Council and who also has been gagged by the Bush administration), and all those who took on the global domination cabal. But Shaw showed incredible moxie. When he decided to investigate Pentagon Inspector General Reports that firms tied to Perle and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz were benefiting from windfall profit contracts in Iraq, Shaw decided to go to Iraq himself to find out what was going on. When Shaw was denied entry into Iraq by U.S. military officers (yes, a top level official of the Defense Department was denied access to Iraq by U.S. military personnel!), he decided to sneak into the country disguised as a Halliburton contractor. Using the cover of Cheney's old company to get the goods on Cheney's friends' illegal activities was yet another masterful stroke of genius by Shaw. But it also earned him the wrath of the neo-cons. They soon leaked a story to the Los Angeles Times claiming that Shaw actually snuck into Iraq to ensure that Qualcomm (on whose board sat a friend of Shaw's) was awarded a lucrative cell network contract.

But nothing could be further from the truth. Shaw, who worked for Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush, represented the Old Guard Republican entity that in August 2003 set up shop in the Pentagon right under the noses of Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith to investigate the neo-con cabal and their illegal contract deals. The entity, known as the International Armament and Technology Trade Directorate, was soon shut down as a result of neo-con pressure. Not to be deterred, Shaw continued his investigation of the neo-cons. Although the neo-cons told the Los Angeles Times that the FBI was investigating Shaw, the reverse was the case: the FBI was investigating the neo-cons, particularly Perle and Wolfowitz, for fraudulent activities involving Iraqi contracts.


And in worse news for the neo-cons: Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was giving the Inspector General's and Shaw's investigations a "wink and a nod" of approval.


more
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/081104_winds_change.shtml

[Just Me]

11. "Prince of Darkness" Perle: the ultimate soulless war-profiteer,...

,...who is completely "invested" in his vision of an all out world war that will make children sing.

He certainly earned his nickname, "Prince of Darkness".

Normal, healthy people would definitely put this man in a padded room. He is so freakin' sick,...and deranged.

[seemslikeadream]

14. We are in a very bad dream Just Me

[Just Me]

17. Yes. The darkest elements are projecting,...

,...and burying the best of humanity. He's even killing his "own",...and he doesn't see it. He has become not only his own worst enemy,...he is the enemy of his own faith and people.

WTF is the matter with this man? Does he want to drag everyone into his hell?

I wish he would just,...go away,...

[American Tragedy]

48. Does Perle ever NOT look totally sinister?

It would be hard to create a film villain that looked more frightening.

[bvar22]

36. "Prince of Darkness" Of All the Sociopaths and Ghouls....

in the bush* administration, Pearle is the most macabre.

[kskiska]

9. Condi wanted to be Sec. of Defense

but * gave her State as a consolation prize, since he wanted to keep Rummy on. So now if Rummy goes, would they give his job to someone else?

[hippiechick]

10. “We did a great thing in Iraq"

:wtf: WTF are these assholes smoking ???

:hippie:

[Just Me]

13. "Power".

Which invokes a mania which cannot be reproduced by any drug. Hence, one of the only proven truths throughout human history: power corrupts,...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Added: Concentration of wealth and power always destroys human potential.

[Straight Shooter]

32. They're smoking our future.

And I hate 'em for it.

[TahitiNut]

12. But Rummy is the co-puppetmaster with Cheney.

Can't let Sockpuppet McFascist flop around and distract from the agenda.

[Fovea]

15. Night of the Long Knives, V.2.0

Or should that be a 'Kristolnact'?

I think they want to move Perle up the ladder.

[seemslikeadream]

16. Richard Perle Secretary of Defense?

[Just Me]

18. If that happened,...watch me run away and hide!!!

Seriously.

[Turn CO Blue]

24. I can't stand to even think about it (or look at his pics) n/t

[Chimpanzee]

40. Damn that guy looks evil!

[not fooled]

68. I know who he looks like...

...the villan (guy who played Blofeld) in the James Bond movie "Diamonds are Forever". Of course completely wacko!!!

[Califooyah Operative]

20. they no their going to hurt over the long run as long as their leadership

is a bunch of crazy's. They're scare, Kristol's been scared.

[snippy]

23. I would pay good money to see a delegation of Neo-cons

strip Rumsfeld's flesh from his bones using only their teeth.

[Dr Fate]

27. Now would be a good time for prominent DEMS to go on TV...

...and also demand Rumfelds resignation- and point out his various crimes and lies as the reasons why...

Oh- I forgot, if we did that, Judy Woodruff, Rush Limbaugh and Tom Delay would say mean things about us and hurt our feelings.

Oh well, at least Neo Cons are willing to speak up about it.

[Swamp Rat]

28. "Kristol" Nacht?

Are they drawing out the long knives to eat their own or is this all a part of the game plan? Golden parachutes cannot defy gravity...

[barb162]

29. does this mean Wolfowicz is next DOD secretary

talk about arrogant and wrong (remember his line about the war paying for itself)

[IndianaGreen]

31. He will never be confirmed (I hope!)

Seeing Wolfowitz lick his comb before running it through his hair is one of those precious moments on Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911.

[bvar22]

37. You mean this guy???

My Fellow Americans,
Meet the New Secretary of Defense!

[barb162]

38. Yeah, that's the culprit!

[shanti]

44. i think...

i am going to hurl. :-(

[IndianaGreen]

47. Yep, that's the one!

I wonder if he also smells his fingers after scratching his butt.

[Must_B_Free]

65. and just WHAT is wrong with that???

:eyes:

[number6]

63. ...

:puke:

[loudsue]

34. More proof that bush didn't get the Military Vote....

You've noticed how much silence there has been about the military vote during this election? Well, from the Secretaries of State that are REPORTING the military vote, Kerry won.

You have to know such a thing rattled the neocon cages!!

And any thinking person would have to make the deduction that if Kerry won the military vote (of all things) he won the popular vote by a huge landslide. I have no doubt whatsoever that he would have, if the votes had been counted fairly, and if ALL the votes had been counted.


:kick::kick::kick:

[Chimpanzee]

41. Great point! Why is'nt that talked about? hmmmmm...

If the pukes won the military by their usual 80-90%, they would be (as usual) pointing that out defiantly! :grr:

[magellan]

35. Kristol and many others within the neocon cabal

are quite disappointed in their man Rummy because he didn't deliver Iraq on their lucrative "free market" platter as ordered. Endless insurgency wasn't the way the neocon dream of expanding American Empire was supposed to go down. Investors who were lining up to take advantage of a "stable and democratic" Iraq have turned away, mortally afraid to visit, much less establish business in the new foothold.

If Rummy goes, a real hard-ass neocon will replace him.

Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.

[barb162]

39. these guys are all SO wrong, I wonder why they can't go back and

look at their own statements, thinking and theories and see how wrong they were and are. They are idiots!

[yardwork]

54. They prefer to blame it all on Rumsfeld

Instead of admitting that they were dead wrong, the neocons will make Rumsfeld their scapegoat.

[Rose Siding]

42. No penance, no absolution, no mercy

They were in the driver's seat, hell-bent to give this admin and its dog of a policy another 4 years. A little hot water and a bar of Lava won't buy their souls back now.

It will be FUN to see their reactions when they realize that the littlest Chimperor is as deaf to their criticism as he is to ours.

[belle]

53. so true! he will be! nobody criticizes the Chimperor!

[Must_B_Free]

66. The "Do it on the cheap" is a child of USA & Israel

Look up "Warrior Ethos". This was all about importing Israeli arab extermination methods to the US forces so that we could do more for less and thus occupy more of the world at any given time.

In fact if you look in the archives of DU, I put together a bunch of links and quotes on Warrior Ethos at one time.

[coreystone]

45. OK! Kristol is co-founder and Chairman of PNAC, What is Rumsfeld's...

position there??

This is pretty strange??


:crazy:

[The Stranger]

46. Wake up, people. Kristol wants to install Wolfowitz

as the new Secretary of Defense. These warmongerers and their bloodthirst simply cannot be sated.

[porkrind]

49. Keep Rumsfeld

He's the perfect "Dr Strangelove" madman for this mis-administration. Besides, he needs to be tried for his war-crimes.

[Seabiscuit]

50. Amazing how easily the neo-cons toss their favorite sons overboard.

They're beginning to show their true colors - they even eat their own.

[74dodgedart]

56. Hopefully Dubya is next...

They tossed Gingrich and they want to toss Rumsfeld. Bush will be meaningless before 2006.

[Julius Civitatus]

51. CHECK THIS OUT: This will explain this neocon turn of events

November 22, 2004

MEMORANDUM TO: OPINION LEADERS
FROM: WILLIAM KRISTOL
SUBJECT: Toward Regime Change in North Korea

http://www.newamericancentury.org/northkorea-20041122.htm

They are quickly moving to their next targets, and they need a more willing executioner than Rummy. These people are crazier than you think.

[coreystone]

52. Hmmm! A reallignment in PNAC organization! n/t

:kick:

[napi21]

58. Isn't this the same Rummy that was the most admired American

a little over a year ago? Maybe admired is the wrong word, but I do remember him being called the sexiest man in America...to which I gaged! Boy, there is no loyalty in that group is there?

[They_LIHOP]

59. Rumsfeld is NOT a PNAC'er...

Common misperception. He's not a part of that particular group of assclowns.

As a matter of fact, whilst Rummy is no doubt a crazy mo-fo, he's also a pretty damn smart cat. I for one would not be surprised to see Rummy bring the whole bunch down if he gets fired against his will. If he WANTS to go, then that's another matter, but the Rumster strikes me as one you wouldn't want to f*ck over.

By the way, the 'father' of the Neo-Cons is not Billy, it's his pappy Irving... (that was in another post, not this one, but I wanted to point it out w/o making another post)

[cliss]

64. I hate to say this, but Rums Failed

was a signer on the PNAC. I've seen his signature. He signed all the horrible stuff which is right on the Internet for all to see. I can't remember them all, but they are:

1) George Bush
2) William Kristol
3) can't remember his name, newspaper journalist
4) Donald Rumsfailed
5) Jeb Bush
6) Wolfowitz
7) Who else?

[lovuian]

60. Rumsfeld will be announced in Germany as a War Criminal

and he will take all the American Generals with him!!!

Not fun at all!!!

[Kellanved]

62. accused, not announced

And I would be very surprised should the Federal Prosecutor actually do something. Rumsfeld is a war criminal, no question, but the German Federal Prosecutor is a politic office and he (Nehm) happens to be a conservative - IMHO it will be buried ASAP.

[Jo March]

61. Ah, let's watch them turn on each other

It's a beautiful site, IMHO.

[oldlady]

67. hey, isn't that the job Condi REALLY wanted?

maybe she can have two jobs, since it wouldn't really be a workload increase (i.e. 0 + 0 =0)