Reply #71: I'll try again to explain what the 'liberal' media will not. [View All]

[Catrina]

Dorgan was on the Indian Affairs Committee that exposed much of the corruption, after they received complaints from the Indian Tribes cheated by Abramoff. He and John McCain conducted the hearings that revealed all the corruption, which, btw, is MIND-BOGGLING and since I watched most of the hearings, I never once heard that any Democrat was involved in any of it.

Dorgan received money from Indian tribes, as do all members who represent them. That is not illegal. But during the hearings, as the extent of the corruption was revealed, and Abramoff's role in the distribution of money, he and others, realized that money they received from others, may have come through Abramoff. With that in mind, it's best to return it, imo. Because even though the recipients (and this includes Republicans who were unaware of the origin of some of the money they received) did not know anything about Abramoff's involvement, they now know the money may have been tainted.

Gale Norton's Interior Dept. was revealed as possibly being heavily influenced by Abramoff and Scanlon. It was after that revelation in the Senate Hearings, that Scanlon decided to plead guilty ~

Bob Ney (who used the Congressional Record to help Abramoff scare Boulis) is an example of where a crime may have been committed.

Tom Delay (who went on trips to Scotland and we are now told, Russia) paid for by Abramoff, is another example of how crimes may have been committted.

Abramoff had a direct link to the WH through his former assistant, Susan Ralston I believe, who became Karl Rove's assistant after Bush took office. But it was through Ralph Reed, who claimed he could get Karl to get things done, that Abramoff usually got through to Karl. There are emails proving how all this was done.

Susan Ralston, it is reported, never put anyone through to Karl, without first checking with Norquist. Patrick Fitzgerald has called Susan Ralston before the GJ several times. She claims she is no longer Rove's assistant. But she is still in the WH, so who knows.

She is important in the Abramoff affairs, because of her Philipino ties and because of that other Abramoff scandal, the one that has yet to be investigated in the Marianas islands where poor Philipinos were exploited and Abramoff influenced legislation to prevent laws being passed that would have stopped the evil exploitation of women and children etc.

In all the evidence I watched throughout the past year in those hearings, I did not hear the name of a single Democrat mentioned.

Norquist, Reed, Delay, the Interior Dept. with various members testifying, all Republicans, Kidan, Scanlon, Bob Ney, Burns ~ on and on, not one Democrat, until the story finally hit the MSM.

NOW we hear, (nothing about what was revealed in the Senate Hearings) that a few Democrats 'received money from Abramoff as well as Republicans'???

Except that this appears not to be the case, just the Media spewing out Karl Rove propaganda. So far, I have seen zero proof of any Democrat taking money from Abramoff directly and in return (as in the case of Bob Ney eg) influencing legislation in return for the money.

Please someone, show us the proof before repeating the Rightwing spin.

And if Democrats allow this spin to continue unchecked, it will become a fact. Karl Rove and his evil minions are all about perception. Perception is created in the first presentation. After that, it is difficult to change.

If there is a Democrat who is guilty, then out him/her now and remove them from the party. But to take this 'dems did it too' without outrage, when we know that this is a Republican scandal, is just another indication of how the media is in the hands of this administration.





Oh, and I meant to present some FACTS, which the media has yet to do.

These are the indictments handed down so far:

Safavian: Republican WH official.
Kidan: Republican Abramoff partner.
Scanlon: Republican Abramoff partner.
Abramoff: Top Republican lobbyist
Tom Delay: Republican Majority leader of the House, more indictments expected.

Not connected to Abramoff so far as we know, more Republican indictments.

Three Republicangovernors.
Rep. Cunningham: Republican member of the House

This is just off the top of my head, but in the Governor Ryan case, there were 30 other indictments handed down to Republicanswho worked in his administration, eg.

I know there were more this past year, but that's a start. I think we need to compile a list to take out when the topic of DC corruption comes up, to simply bring out. I will do a little more research, because it's hard to keep up with all the Republican corruption and indictments.

Editing to add a few more Republican indictments which I forgot:

Larry Franklin Republican in the Pentagon Spy case.
Rubin Republican Pentagon spy case.
Weissman Republican Pentagon spy case.

The above are all facts. All these people have been charged with crimes, and all of them are Republicans If I think of more in between working here, I will try to add them also.

To the MEDIA if you're watching. Add to the list any Democrats I may have overlooked. And if you can't, then REPORT FACTS, not spin, it is your duty. If you don't, then when this house of cards falls, all propagandists who enabled them, hopefully will fall with them.