Reply #65: I agree - evolution has nothing to do with faith - or intelligent design [View All]

[papau]

Intelligent Design is a natural common feeling that is usually part of the discussion of God - as in God the creator, I do not understand it's use in a discussion of evolution. I do not believe the Catholic Church takes any position on the usefulness to science of "evolution"

It appears to be a war between the fundies and the no-God crowd - and not central to our faith.

There are at least 2000 and perhaps more years of "God the Creator because I see intelligent design" thought from very learned folks. I am always amazed by those no-God types that I consider intelligent who reject what I consider obvious, and fall back on the no path to anywhere logic of "it is because it is" - occassionaly re-package as the Anthropomorphic Principle -

Why do folks fear others seeing the existence of a teleological universe - a universe made with a purpose? It does not affect the science that they do.

Now I grant you that both sides - fundie and no-god - have tried to use the fact that the fundamental constants of the universe are within the narrow limits that allow life - one side saying we exist to observe this fact simply because if those constant were different, we would not exist - - - - while the other side says those constants are our constants because our universe was set up specifically for the purpose of our life.

And as with all matters of faith, there is no bridging the logic gap between the two camps. The No God camp says that thermodynamics explains how ordered structures will form spontaneously if the ordered structure has lower energy than the unstructured alternatives, and the faith camp says that is a law that is true in this universe that was given to us - God as law giver - or if you like - as the designer of the rules of the game.

The response is by the No God folks is that God could have done a better design if he was trying to favor humans - LOL - - followed by the power of infinity to overcome many arguments - as in infinite budding universes, or infinite contraction/expansion big bangs that eventually get around to the set of constants that permit life - and if that fails to convince, the no-God folks fall back on "faith" - LOL - and say there are laws yet to be discovered that will explain all - and most certainly they will explain all without reference to a God.

So do you - the no-god folks - feel you have an adequate explanation of the universe - with laws to be discovered to fill in the obvious gaps, and therefore you feel there is no "need" for God, - so there is no God?

Since science can not provide a proof of a universal purpose or the creator of such a purpose (or disprove such), the rules of science would seem to permit folks of faith to be scientists

But I come back to where I started - I do not understand ID's use in proving - or disproving - the usefulness of evolution.

What am I missing?