Reply #25: Thanks for the info, Bailey77! It sounds like you know a lot more about.. [View All]

[Peace Patriot]

...this than I do. I will amend my statements about it accordingly (as BBV did), out of caution. What was done on Nov. 2 was such a great crime, with such immense consequences, that I would not want to taint someone with it unfairly. But I also know that corporations and the super-rich have many ways to hide what they are doing, and I think the connection (i.e., the Ahmanson's, of whatever branch) is a suspicious one. (That the relatives were/are in a different state doesn't mean much when you're talking about the super-rich.)

You say that a "William and Robert Ahmanson nexis with right-wing politics" has not been documented. But how about looking at it the other way around? --that investment in ES&S (previously AIS), one of the two companies who count (or don't count) all our votes with secret, proprietary source code, who insisted on secrecy and on no paper trail, and whose software produced the most egregiously fraudulent election in our history-- amounting to a fascist coup--IS documentation of rightwing politics, in and of itself? Or is, at least, evidence in that direction?

And what about their selling it in such a way that Chuck Hagel ends up CEO and electing himself Senator?

We need to be accurate, yes. But we also need to understand how "smoking guns," at that level of income and power, find themselves in a private jet out over the Pacific falling into 2,000 feet of water.

Could be an innocent investment. COULD be. But considering who has benefited (on such a grand scale) from company policy on electronic voting--fascists, rightwing fanatics, the super-rich, global corporations--it seems to me a reasonable, working assumption that it was NOT innocent.

We may never be able to pin down who is guilty, specifically, of the great crime of 2004. Even so, it is important to learn as much as we can, for the purpose of understanding how things work in the Bush Cartel and among its satellite operations, and also for devising the best remedies, and for knowing where to put pressure and on whom.

Again, I take your point about accuracy. I agree. But I also see that we are dealing with a corporate state that doesn't play fair, to say the least--whose crimes include the mass murder and torture of innocents, massive, unprecedented theft, and the destruction of democracy everywhere, and whose hallmark is secrecy.

I think anyone with any connection whatsoever to ES&S and Diebold MUST be held in great suspicion until proven otherwise--and that includes all investors, executives, founders and employees, all SoS's who have purchased their systems, and all politicians who have promoted them (or benefited from them), including corrupt or collusive Democrats.

It may never have entered the minds of the Ahmanson brothers to use ES&S software to install the Bush Cartel (or Hagel), but they are key players in the corporation's development, and thus are at the top of the list of election fraud suspects (even apart from their family ties to extreme rightwing causes).

You can see I'm struggling with this. I am academic-trained myself, and I prefer precise, careful writing. But I sometimes think that this prevents me from saying ENOUGH. We are not dealing with precise, careful fascists here. We are dealing with a vicious bunch of bloodthirsty, super-rich, unbelievably greedy powermongers, and anyone connected with them, and anyone who even just tolerates them--who has the power to do something about it--is a criminal suspect, in my opinion.

Whew. Please don't take this personally. I appreciate your information, and the way you wrote it. I'm just feeling bloody-minded today--and wishing that all the promise of this great progressive country was being fulfilled, as it should be, and not being dashed to pieces.