Reply #20: Well that is a good example of how things have progressed. [View All]

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One could reasonably believe that many Republicans, even many Republicans in leadership positions actually believed that they won the election fair and square, that the Democrats were just stalling, and that the supreme court did the right thing. Some Republicans were obviously in on the deception (for example the ones who organized the fake riot at the Dade County offices), but many could be honest believers.

I don't think that is the case anymore. My point is not that the leadership lies with impunity, they do obviously. My point is that the deliberate lying has trickled down and is now pervasive within a broad cohort of what I will label 'non-moronic republicans'.