Reply #24: while we are on REHASH how about C-130s [View All]

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cordite and various eyewit accounts

It is hard to read on the link at the bottom so I pasted it as well. There are accounts here of the smell of cordite.

a few witness reports:

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C-130 #1 Disaster Viewed From Arlington

Daily Press; Newport News; Sep 14, 2001; TERRY SCANLON

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Her brother, , of Virginia Beach, spotted the planes first. The second plane looked similar to a C- 130 transport plane, he said. He believes it flew DIRECTLY ABOVE the American Airlines jet, AS IF TO PREVENT TWO PLANES FROM APPEARING ON RADAR WHILE AT THE SAME TIME GUIDING THE JET TOWARD THE PENTAGON.
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C-130 #2: Hampton Roads Woman Says SHE TOO, Saw Plane Following Jet That Hit Pentagon
Daily Press; Newport News; Sep 15, 2001; TERRY SCANLON

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Kelly Knowles, a First Colonial High School alumnus who now lives in an apartment a few miles from the Pentagon, said some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion.

At the same time, and his sister, Pam Young, who lives in Surry, were preparing to leave a funeral at Arlington National Cemetery, which is less than a mile from the Pentagon, when they watched the jet approach and slam into the Pentagon. Both of them, as well as at least one other person at the funeral, insist that there was another plane flying near the hijacked jet.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/dailypress/main/results.html?num=25&st=basic&QryTxt=%22Keith%2BWheelhouse%22&datetype=7
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C-130 #3: Influential Editor

“Then the plane -- it looked like a C-130 cargo plane -- started turning away from the Pentagon, it did a complete turnaround.

http://www.nylawyer.com/news/01/09/091201l.html
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C-130 #4: USAToday.com Editor

Off to the west, Sucherman saw another plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn. "I thought, 'Is this thing coming around to make a second attack? If there is another explosion, we're toast.'"

http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=704&a=15161,00.asp
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C-130 #5: Who The Hell Are You?
Scott P. Cook, September 11

As we watched the black plume gather strength, less than a minute after the explosion, we saw an odd sight that no one else has yet commented on. Directly in back of the plume, which would place it almost due west from our office, a four-engine propeller plane, which Ray later said resembled a C-130, started a steep decent towards the Pentagon. It was coming from an odd direction (planes don’t go east-west in the area), and it was descending at a much steeper angle than most aircraft. Trailing a thin, diffuse black trail from its engines, the plane reached the Pentagon at a low altitude and made a sharp left turn, passing just north of the plume, and headed straight for the White House.

All the while, I was sort of talking at it: "Who the hell are you? Where are you going? You’re not headed for downtown!" Ray and Verle watched it with me, and I was convinced it was another attack. But right over the tidal basin, at an altitude of less than 1000 feet, it made another sharp left turn to the north and climbed rapidly. Soon it was gone, leaving only the thin black trail.

http://www.clothmonkey.com/91101.htm
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C-130 #6: C-130 Crew Saw Pentagon Strike, Official Confirms
Daily Press; Newport News; Oct 17, 2001;
TERRY SCANLON and DAVID LERMAN Daily Press;
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and at least two other witnesses to the Pentagon attack were troubled that Pentagon spokesmen had until now said they were unaware of a C-130 being in the area at the time.

In the days immediately following the Sept. 11 hijackings, the Pentagon had no knowledge of the C-130's encounter, because all reports were classified by the Air National Guard, ...
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C-130 #7 & Secondary Explosions #1


Within moments there was a very loud bang, which seemed to come from the direction of Henderson Hall. At least, all the heads turned towards Henderson. It is possible that this was a secondary explosion from the Pentagon or possibly an F-16 going supersonic<...>.

The only large fixed wing aircraft to appear was a gray C-130, which appeared to be a Navy electronic warfare aircraft, he seemed to survey the area and depart in on a westerly heading.


http://www.ournetfamily.com/WarOnTerror/emails/pentagonwitness.html

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Secondary Explosions #2

The building that houses 24,000 workers and operates as the nation's military command center suffered heavy damage, with at least a portion of the structure collapsing, witnesses said. Shortly after the crash, witnesses reported secondary explosions and plumes of smoke that could be seen miles away.

"I was right underneath the plane," said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. "I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles," said Milburn. "It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."

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Cordite #1
T H E W O R K S O F H U M A N K I N D .
A DISPATCH BY DON PERKAL
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WASHINGTON, D.C. — The airliner crashed between two and three hundred feet from my office in the Pentagon, just around a corner from where I work. I'm the deputy General Counsel, Washington Headquarters Services, Office of the Secretary of Defense. A slightly different calibration and I have no doubt I wouldn't be sending this to you.
My colleagues felt the impact, which reminded them of an earthquake. People shouted in the corridor outside that a bomb had gone off upstairs on the main concourse in the building. No alarms sounded. I walked to my office, shut down my computer, and headed out. Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2001/09/19perkal.html
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Cordite #2
A personnel attorney at the Pentagon, Goldsmith was riding a shuttle bus to work on Tuesday, Sept. 11, when she learned of the attack on the World Trade Center.

When she got to her office sometime around 9, she phoned her daughter and heard "an incredible whomp noise."

It didn't seem so unusual since her office is situated near a narrow area where trucks sometimes come by and hit the wall. Moments later, her husband called. He'd received a phone call from a friend in Cleveland, saying there had been an explosion at the Pentagon. Goldsmith was told to evacuate.

"We saw a huge black cloud of smoke," she said, saying it smelled like cordite or gun smoke.

She left the building and eventually made her way home on foot.

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk010921/usp14a.shtml
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Gas Station Video

Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html
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Hotel Video

A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation.

It may be the only available video of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did NOT capture the crash.


http://www.gertzfile.com/gertzfile/ring092101.html
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Security Camera Video

CNN's Jamie MacIntyre: "witnesses told me the day this happened that the plane -American Airlines Flight 77 - came in extremely low, but I'm not sure I realized how low it was until I saw these sequence of pictures that CNN obtained from....a.....that were taken by a Pentagon security camera.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/03/07/gen.pentagon.pictures/index.html
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~~~ believes flew DIRECTLY ABOVE the American Airlines jet, AS IF TO PREVENT TWO PLANES FROM APPEARING ON RADAR WHILE AT THE SAME TIME GUIDING THE JET TOWARD THE PENTAGON.~~~

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In my mind, in terms of the accounts regarding the C-130 appearing to guide the jetliner...it would seem to me that it conceivable it was a smaller replica of the B757. So while it looks like they were seeing the actual B757. They weren't.

the link with the above was accessed:

http://sydney.indymedia.org:8081/local/webcast/uploads/c130__cord.txt

AGAIN THESE WERE FOUND IN MARCH NOT SURE IF THE LINKS WILL WORK...

there is an even more comprehensive C-130 eyewitness report pulled together I guess for the government also by Ron Harvey. I can get that as well.