Reply #187: That's the OP's Job to Do [View All]

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The OP should first define what is ''liberal'' and how Israel fits that definition. DU is a liberal site and you don't see the entire board rushing to his defense in this thread which proves he never made his case.

Not being a liberal myself (lean more towards the middle) it is not entirely possible for me to give a definitive definition. But one of the key points of liberals is that more often than not they are on the side of the little guy - the underdog. They want to level the playing field so that all have an equal crack at the prize. Therefore, they push for social policies that guarantee equal access for all people. This is why they pushed for progressive legislation such as Civil Rights, Affirmative Action, Gender Equity, and Americans With Disability Act (for the record, I lobbied for all those laws in my many past years of social activism). Therefore, as liberals they would be lobbying for the rights of Palestinians who are the real under dogs in this conflict.

The Israeli apologists on this thread have all said liberalism should be on the side of Israel in this conflict.

How so? Israel isn't the under dog. On the contrary they are the aggressors and have been since Day One (link to Einstein). They have practiced every manner of injustice to Palestinians (links to Israeli activists). They have used every manner of subterfuge in order to disguise their schemes (links to Ostrovsky & Beit-Hallahmi).

In each instance I have used exclusively Jewish sources to back up my claims and to buttress my arguments. Not one source can be said to be ''antisemitic'' so that this often misused card fails in this dispute. There are hundreds more videos and links all throughout the Internet than can be used just as easily in order to defeat the initial argument made by the OP. Instead of presenting evidence in the vain attempt to defend the OP, the excitable and angry Israeli apologists have resorted to emotional arguments, name calling, and personal attacks. They completely disregard the interests of Palestinians and use precisely the same arguments used by the KKK to defend segregation in the South. How can any true ''liberal'' make such vain and indefensible arguments?

No, the OP and the Israeli apologists have not made any valid claim that there is any liberal case for Israel. Instead, their arguments have supported the right wing neocon case. Therefore, their arguments have been an utter FAIL.