Reply #138: Yeah, I did... [View All]

[shira]

I'm against Israel's occupation, was for the Gaza and Lebanon pullouts, and am all for the conflict ending in a peaceful settlement. UNSCR242 gives Israel the right to be there until a peaceful settlement is negotiated. I defend Israeli actions that protect Israeli citizens and don't accuse EVERYTHING they do in self defense - as you are wont to do - as being illegal, cruel, evil, etc... in some kneejerk manner.

a) I don't agree with using those parallels, though it should be noted that Nazi parallels are used a lot in other topics that have nothing to do with the I/P conflict.

They're malicious lies, right? What other nation is compared to Nazi Germany as frequently as the Jewish nation is? It's holocaust inversion and it's vile.

b) I don't agree with that claim, but it's important to remember you think that any reference to Israel carrying out apartheid style policies in the West Bank is also 'lies, slander and dehumanisation'.

Right, another lie in the delegitimization effort.

c) So? Us Australians with British ancestry are often called things like that by some indigenous activists.

So that makes it okay to label all Jews in Israel in a bigoted manner as oppressors, colonists, and settlers? This is dehumanizing incitement, Violet, considering the context of I/P and the animosity that exists b/w Arabs and Jews. In any 1-state settlement, this is hate speech that would be used by Hamas and others against Jews. It's not something to lightly dismiss with a "so what".

d) That false claim about BDS is a good example of lies and slander and dehumisation.

It's not a false claim at all. It's been explained and proven to you now that BDS is against Jewish SD and for taking rights away from Jews collectively in order to grant exclusive SD to Palestinians. The complete opposite of "rights and justice" that Barghouti advocates.

e) There is definately a UN Resolution regarding Right of Return. It's General Assemby Resolution 194 and it explains Israel's obligations under international law to exercise their right to return to their homes. General Assembly Resolutions can carry legal weight when it comes to building a body of international law. What it doesn't have is the enforcement mechanism that Security Council Resolutions can have...

That UNGAR has nothing to do with descendants of refugees and it has carried absolutely NO legal weight since it was passed decades ago. It is a lie to misrepresent it as Barghouti does.

Just because you don't agree with something, it doesn't become a 'malicious lie'.

What Barghouti has advocated goes beyond disagreement and into lies and propaganda intended to incite hatred vs. a unique evil (against millions of Jewish oppressors, colonists, and settlers). Historical pogroms were based on the same garbage. Malicious lies and dehumanization intended to incite hatred vs. Jews collectively.