Reply #8: a pity [View All]

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pelsar says: "The whole idea was to have a jewish state to protect them from all those nice people in the world, who seem to prove again and again that anti-Semitism is alive and well......"

really, was that the whole idea? nothing at all about a racist philosophy? and though it might have been a dandy idea for you, it was a disaster for the people who happened to live there.

but whatever, tut tut, such a shame they didn't go away quietly like good little...what? are they not fellow humans with the same rights as your own? do you subscribe to that notion that Jewish people are of a higher order than non-jewish people? is this how you resolve that little moral problem in your heart?

pelsar says: "...how so many from the left have taken up the cause of nationalism and racism and cloaking in to some kind *progressive cause.*"

i'm not sure i follow your point in paragraph 3, it seems to be that strange rebuttal that Israeli crimes are being focused on instead of other nation's crimes, (so it is _really_ just anti-semitism that is at the heart of the complaints) i say 'strange' because it is so weak on so many levels, so morally bankrupt that i would expect an intelligent person to be embarrassed to utter it.

why are Israeli crimes becoming such a cause celebe? well, my guess is that beyond the enormity of the crimes and general inhumanity for so many years, it is made more compelling by the unfolding story of how extensive are the behind the scenes efforts to perpetuate the situation; the inordinate control of Congress, the billions upon billions of american treasure funneled into the atrocity, there's the secret arsenal of nukes, there's the Iraq war, one of the biggest crimes in history, launched by neocons and strongly pushed by Israel (and vehemently opposed by everyone else) and they've been working hard to get us into Iran too. the whole war on terror crap is a movie made in Israel and played on every channel non-stop. you see, the whole stinking mess is coming to light and i can't think of a cause more progressive than exposing and ending this deeply racist and cynical program.

pelsar says: "this would be a classic case of wall vs israeli lives.....your position is clear." and your position is clear as well. Israeli lives are more important than Palestinian lives. the wall is a further act of war, 180 degrees from what a honest party for making peace would do. one of several such moves. you also have to ignore the suicide bombers, why would a person blow themselves up? does that not mean anything to you? i know a racist explanation would be that they are just 'batshit crazy by birth" so please dont drop that one on me. obviously the suffering is very extreme. all reports concur, the suffering is extreme.


pelsar says: "Same too i assume for gaza...i assume in your eyes 6000 missiles on israelis day and night for years isnt really considered anything that cant be lived with, given that theyre falling on lsrael"

6000 missles sounds pretty impressive, lucky for you they are almost worthless in actually killing anybody. but you showed them some real ordinance didnt you? you killed more people in the first hour than they killed in those 8 years and 6000 rockets. and you went on killing and killing just for good measure. nothing about the blockade on Gaza for those years, that's just what you ned to do to people who have the audacity of electing a govt. that isnt on the Israeli payroll.

and curious, how do you spin the continued occupation and the settlements?