Reply #21: Another classic post - to summarise...... [View All]

[Pert_UK]

Consider 2 groups of society - criminals and non-criminals.

Criminals illegally access guns for the purpose of committing crimes.

Non-criminals have legal access to guns for recreational / defence purposes. Sometimes these weapons are misused for suicide, homicide, accidental injury etc.

It's madness to conclude that the increased illegal, deliberate obtaining of illegal weapons by criminals, specifically for use in crimes, means that gun control laws have failed, if those laws have simultaneously reduced the number of gun incidents amongst legal gun owners.

Consider, violent crime in one UK city increased 70% in one year after Jamaican Yardie Drug Gangs moved into the area and set-up their drug-dealing business..........many of these crimes involved the use of guns.

So......do we conclude that the gun ban in the UK has failed because of this? No, these crimes would have happened anyway, as they're committed by violent men intent on making money illegally through the use of violence. We conclude that we're not effectively addressing the problem of violent drug crime. We don't need to address the problem of misused legally-held guns, because there aren't any..........no mopping-up after school massacres etc.