Reply #135: They could be like them [View All]

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The key point is that "moderate" Muslim nations are sexist, religious intolerant, and are similar to what America would look like if Xian fundies gained control of it. Honestly, is that a good thing? Would you want your grandchildren to live in such a society?

"So what has your experience been like living with "moderate" Muslims? You sound almost as if you're describing having the flu... in other words, your prejudices are showing."

Talk to anyone raised in Muslim family in America. There is a reason we are predominantly very secular and have a very unfavorable view of our parent's culture. Granted, most of these people remain Muslim,
but they are very liberal Muslims. Aside from their self-identification of being Muslim they are indistinguishable from typical Americans Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, et al.

Moderate Muslims are very, very conservative. They are similar to American Xian fundies--and to the right of them on gender issues. We should not be hailing them as ideal Muslims. My familiarlity with moderate Islam has made me very critical of moderate Islam. People that are unfamilar with Islam are making a big mistake by assuming that the typical immigrant Muslim has the same values as non-Muslim Westerners.

In our case Muslims will not become the majority and they are assimilating so we do not have a problem. France may have one, and we need to realize that France becoming a moderate Muslim nation would be a major change.

Islam will eventually reform itself and assimilated U.S. Muslims will be at the vanguard of this change. That is why I am sanguine
about American Islam.