Reply #19: No but do you seriously think we have a future if people continue to [View All]

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live in poverty in the world and have inadequate security and job opportunity and choice and health care? So they have 10 children and maybe 5 live?

What do you think that will look like if the markets are not opened to these people so they can get a small loan, grow an extra patch of cabbage and use their cell phone to call into the 5 local markets to find out who will pay the most for their cabbage?

Have you paid any attention to france this week? That is what people ignored look like. Um - mercains were once ignored people and threw tea into the harbour.

To say global trade is propaganda is ridiculous. There will be no oil in 50 years and therefore our lives will all change and if you don't want to be in a collapsed industry you better specialize in techonology and pills and computers. Those things are not dependant on huge amounts of oil.

And these big box stores - when the oil goes - they will go too. And the local mom & pop shop will reopen. Cause we will all walk to the grocery store. And incomes will be very much lower. But if we are all in it together and the birth rate in Africa is 1.7 kids because people are 1) immune from aids 2)can find steady work their whole lives... then we will all be better off and so will the planet.

3 Million kids starved this year. And we are all upset about 20thousand iraqis in 3 years. Or 2000 Americans.

All less developed nation intellectuals and economists are for global trade.

We just don't have to do it the neocon way with hegemoney and crazy corporations. It can be done with regulations and national health care programs and anything. We can put strict laws in place so that co-ops are rocking and corporations cannot attack them and try and drive them out. We can make the laws on trade whatever norms we decide. But we cannot cut out Asia and Africa & Latin America from having a chance at winning in the trade game. They will all be much, much, much bigger than the West in terms of numbers of middle class people in 40 years. They will be 15 times bigger than the west. So what will they do to the USA if the USA cuts them out of opportunity now? Forty years is not a long time. The people who will be managers in Asia in 40 years are 10 years old right now.

You gonna cut em out? or you gonna let em in. Cause that manager in China? She gonna have a long memory and if you decided to cut them out - why the hell would they bother with a little country like the USA that has only 5% of the world's population?

There are a whole myriad of reasons why we need to get on the train - the first one being so we can help design where the **** the train stops rather than letting the neocons make it all up. And they will. That is what they want - you and me out of the discussion talking "like about the environment" when the thing that is going to slow down the destruction the fastest will be tiny incremental changes in opportunities for the poorest of the poor so they invest in their kids and only have a few because with that liitle bit of opportunity - they actually could save.

This is way too early in the morning for this conversaion..