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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:51 PM Original message |
Bin Laden death 'not an assassination' - Eric Holder |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, yeah, it was, actually, Mr. Holder |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No, it wasn't. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. whatever |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
56. So the President sent Navy Seals there to serve an arrest warrant? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #56 |
93. So, the military taking prisoners is a foreign concept to you? n/t |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. It was a homicide by shooting, it eliminated a state enemy, |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
120. Motive is always a big issue in a killing and makes all the difference in prosecution/punishment |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. As I see it part of the problem is that Obama referred to 'justice' |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. They probably made videos of it, so whether it was or not will becomeA |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. Too bad you weren't a member of that Seal team. You could have personally |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. So now you have to be a Navy SEAL to have an opinion? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. No, but I take Holder at his word when he says they were open to capture |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. LOL... not a chance |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. "Nothing, and I mean NOTHING a government official says is ever true" |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:01 AM Response to Reply #73 |
94. Ron Paul agrees with the assassination meme and he is a government official, so I guess that person |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:08 AM Response to Reply #73 |
116. It may be funny, but it is also true. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:09 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. "which means you believed everything Bushco said, correct? |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. I understand the need to be skeptical, but people who automatically believe Bin Laden's son |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #79 |
115. Your statement implies that I said I believe bin Laden. This is incorrect. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. It is a little silly to think McChystal's assassination program |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think of it as good, clean fun. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. As I said: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No one objected to our worldwide torture program either. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Now that is just not true. Even England's foreign secretary, among others, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The UK helped with rendition so their position isn't transparent, is it? |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. England has no foreign secretary. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. because assassinations are legally problematic |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Isn't it odd that top Democratic leaders are the only people taking our concern seriously? |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. I want to believe them but for PR purposes I would suggest they reverse the term |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't know what it was. I do know a "LIVE" Bin Laden would be a big problem. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. That settles it, then. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
11. What's he been smoking? |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. No, Eric, it was an execution. n/t |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No, it wasn't an execution. |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
48. Believe whatever spin you wish. n/t |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. The only reason Holder is even saying this is that the administration |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. "big time war crime" |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Buh-bye, dude. - n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. In other words... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Prove it wasn't! |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. The burdent of proof is on he or she who makes the accusation (in this |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Which is longhand for... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Yes, that was my thought also. You were clearly offering |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. If SDuderstadt really believes Obama has nothing to hide and is |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Yes I agree, pointless to discuss issues with anyone who |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Maybe spirited and vigorous debate just isn't... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Lol! |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. "things aren't going his way" |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Support for drone attacks = Support for the deaths of innocent people! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Then go ahead and do it. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. You have provided no proof that your support of the use of drones |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Last time, Sabrina... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. Two people whose ids we do not know, but some 'official' claims |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Do you have evidence that they were.... |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Wosh |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:24 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Maybe you should read the... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. You have no evidence. No one is fooled by your games of avoidance. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:40 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. No, I'm playing by your rules... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:50 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. No, you don't have to. But you would if you could and that is |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #102 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:17 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. I play by the rule of law. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I do, too... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:21 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Yes, Bush's law, sadly! |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:23 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Nope... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:38 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Obama plays by the rule of law.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:07 AM Response to Reply #101 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I see you don't like.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #88 |
98. What are their names? Who are they? How old were they? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:35 AM Response to Reply #98 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:29 AM Response to Reply #98 |
114. Their names are... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
81. "pov that there is no room for discussion" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. I did not expect any proof since we have had no trials |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. That's really brilliant, Sabrina! |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Isn't that what you have been saying all along? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Umm, no... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I guess I missed all that evidence then? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. "Not playing" = "not responding to stupid strawman arguments" |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
46. Uh-oh,now you've done it. You are now in coalition_unwilling's ignore list. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. I wear it as... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
55. Maybe he just doesn't want to engage with you. I don't blame him. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
54. + |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
80. Don't waste your time: “Liberal” Sock Puppets – Right Wing/Corporate Operatives Attacking Democrats |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
62. Give me a break. OBL was a legitimate military target. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. Even the White House now admits OBL was unarmed. He may have |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #91 |
105. Common Article 3 applies unambiguously. |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. One in the chest, one in the head. Good thing he wasn't armed: might have shot himself a 3rd time. |
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Fla_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
22. Water boarding; 'not torture' - Alberto Gonzales |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. United Nations Special Rapporteurs statement on bin Laden |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
25. Okay. Let's call it an "enhanced immobilization technique", not two in the eye at close range. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Yep, pretty much. |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
27. LOL |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
40. You got it! He shot himself! |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
29. It was just a multi-level marketing call gone horribly wrong |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Now your post is seriously deserving of a DUzy. Wickedly brilliant, or |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
41. Like UN statment said, it sets a precedent if left to stand as acceptable. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
45. I see Holder has been excelling at those courses in Advanced Bushspeak. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
47. Of course it wasn't. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
61. Enhanced Suppression |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
65. "No one in the main building got off a shot or was even armed" |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:18 AM Response to Reply #65 |
96. It's not the summary execution that gets you, it's the cover-up. (My |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
68. "Waterboarding is not torture:" - John Woo Anyone else notice |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yep. It's not illegal when the President's man say it isn't'. |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Pretty much. nt |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
78. Holder in March 2010.... |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. That's a great find. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:25 AM Response to Reply #78 |
112. Interesting. What does Holder have to say about "read rights to a corpse" in light of remarks above? |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
82. Pure bullshit. n/t |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
83. I was unaware... |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. It's weird that the executive branch has become its own oversight. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
84. I agree. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
85. Well, |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
92. And enhanced interrogation is not torture according to John Yoo nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
104. How can that be? We shot a sweet, "gently smiling", "little old man in his jammies" |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
119. He wasn't armed. He resisted. He was shot. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
122. This is the same AG who ended the Ensign investigation |
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