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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:30 PM Original message |
A weary social worker writes: You Know Who We Really Hate? |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. I know exactly what the writer is saying. Its my work life everyday too. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
109. What you find out is that we are not a Christian nation |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #109 |
124. Actually...we are animals...in the evolutionary sense, we move forward and we move backward. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #109 |
130. We most certainly are NOT a Christian nation. |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #130 |
145. We most certainly are a "Christian" nation. A sectarian Christian nation |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. I'm not religious, but don't blame the Christians alone. |
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pacalo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #145 |
159. Hey, babe, it matters not what you choose to call it... |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #145 |
197. We're not a nation that follows the teachings attributed to Jesus. n/t |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #109 |
180. Well, the Puritans had the attitude that poverty was a sign that you were |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 09:11 AM Response to Reply #180 |
224. The Puritans didn't "found" this country |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. Social terrorism for the children, the poor and the elderly. Americans are assholes. |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. NO, we are not. It is our government, paid for by the CORPORATIONS, that are the assholes. |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Government does what it does because *WE* allow it. |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
125. What is the first thing "WE" do |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #125 |
225. i see it when i hear my family talking about 'those people' |
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proud progressive (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
212. bravo! someone who finally makes sense |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Talk to some homeless people and get to know some. We shit on our poor and elderly... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Say it again, brother(?)! |
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rucognizant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
74. I wonder if the internet is siphoning off energy that WE might use... |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
147. You are wise beyond your years |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
119. Can't disagree with you there. |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
131. not only the French |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Just who do you think "the government" is? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
35. We get the government we vote for. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
96. And we vote for the same government every two years. There |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
57. either you benefit from, or fight the corporations |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
73. "Please stop generalizing." - Agreed 100%. |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
173. no, you are all equally guilty |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
177. Aren't you also generalizing when you claim Americans are not assholes? |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
204. WHO keeps electing those corporatists? |
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PADemD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
170. Social terrorism for the children, the poor, the elderly, and the mentally ill. |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. How sad...but we tell other countries what they should be doing and |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
188. Yes, but more than sad. PLEASE, push Obama to change this! |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. The Nazis hated the weak too |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Sad that we are told that the "weak" are dragging us down, when actually the American |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I think people have finally realized! |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
121. Indeed. It's a game of projection and distraction. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
120. You nailed it. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. At school we used to get reimbursement for medical services. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
50. And when I see what little hair I have left in the mirror, I don't have to even wonder why. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
122. I hear you. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. a must read, K&R |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
7. I volunteer at a food bank and also see what families are struggling with. When Mr. Paulson |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
123. Thank you. |
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navarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. amen. amen. amen. |
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-28-08 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. It's interesting. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
126. One wonders what a "bad apple" even is... |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
12. What is happening is horrible, as is our society's response to the needs of those who are |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. six people in 20 years. stunning record of fraud. no doubt the reason for our present fix. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. If ya want to look for fraud look to the Bush crime syndicate. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. I agree totally, LOoniX. But not ONLY to the Bush crime syndicate. They are not the |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. Ha ha Hannah. You're a true commodian. Perhaps you should go back and read my post. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. people are always gossiping about that |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
48. It's not gossip, Two Americas. It's factual. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. wow |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
87. It's news to me that FISA, the UnPatriotic Act, the war on drugs, Homeland Security |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
138. I don't know what to say |
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whathappened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
114. just to add 1 more thing |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #114 |
141. yes |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #141 |
154. You're so wrong about what I am saying that it is getting very frustrating trying to |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. OK |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #155 |
160. Yes. Thank you for making the effort. And likewise, I have always found you to be a |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:49 AM Response to Reply #160 |
164. very funny |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
76. Another Social Worker |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
129. Amen. SSI just got raised to a whole $674 a month. |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Those "reports" of fraud are coming from unreliable sources. |
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Scully (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Anecdotal evidence on both sides isn't good for much but stories.... |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. you should have a talk with that family friend |
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Scully (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Tried. Like talking to a brick wall, but worse, because brick |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. That's what I thought too Bill McBlueState until a relative told me about her co-worker |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. What State is This? |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. North Carolina. But please don't send us your clients. We are hurting already. |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
112. Oooo! One person! gaming the system ... |
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Stardust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #112 |
163. Wish I could rec your reply, Cat. The hoops a person has to jump thru |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
165. very powerful Cat |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #112 |
190. Excellent post |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #112 |
198. Thanks Cat!! for speaking out |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #112 |
220. This post needs to be printed out and framed |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. Good examples, Scully. I also know some deserving individuals who have been denied |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
132. EVERY individual is "deserving" of life's basic necessities. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #132 |
151. Naturyl, if you're saying that every single human being is entitled to government support |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #151 |
203. Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #203 |
206. For me it's not about puritan work ethic. It's about fairness. If you've held this position |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #206 |
210. Studies show the majority will not make such a decision. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. Thanks. I'll check it out. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
77. I Think The OP |
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BlancheSplanchnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
92. in addition to common sense wrt social safety nets... |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
49. Pray tell me how you know those "reports" of fraud are coming from unreliable sources, Bette Noir. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. I am sure there is fraud to some degree, but.... |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
29. People that are looking to rationalize not helping often use the excuse that they are sure there |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
133. Bingo. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #133 |
191. "Are convicted criminals preferable to the poor?" In the U.S. the answer is YES. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #191 |
201. Charity is a band-aid solution at best. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #201 |
228. You're so right. Systemic problems can't be resolved individually. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Heresay is a really bad way to quantify fraud. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. When I volunteered in Mississippi after Katrina, the priest in charge of |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. It is absolutely worth it! That priest had the right attitude. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Good point, Lydia. I commend you for your graciousness. |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Freeloaders getting rich on welfare |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Getting rich on welfare? Where did I say that? You fail reading comprehension. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #75 |
99. Welfare fraud is a fair sized problem, imo |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I agree with you 100%, fed_up_mother. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
135. Did it ever occur to you there might be REASONS people hate jobs? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I think the OP is complaining about the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. I agree, Lydia, that we don't want to use a shotgun to kill a gnat. But, this problem |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
179. If we're going to have federal fraud investigators, they need to high-tail it over to the Pentagon |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #179 |
209. I pulled the $32,000,000 out of the air as an example since I don't know how much |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #209 |
215. One thing I learned while working with street kids is that people who are |
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rhiannon55 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
223. At this point, a few people possibly "scamming the system" |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #223 |
232. Thank you for your compassionate attitude |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
86. What a great Priest |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. There are quite a few like that, but you've probably never heard of them |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
118. either serve people or judge them |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. How do you know welfare fraud is a tiny component of the overall costs, Gormy Cuss? |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Go sell this crap |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Deleted message |
Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. people have tried |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. I have explained my position in every reply to every post I made. If you don't agree with |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
157. Here are two threads from the last week where DUers |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
94. Dipshit and asswipe,,, |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
113. Consider it a mild rebuke to someone who recklessly throws the slam of being a freeper |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:59 AM Response to Reply #113 |
167. If geography were not a problem |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #167 |
219. My profile is now up and running for you to check out whenever you want. Shoot me |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
80. How much of a percentage were those 6 in 20 years? |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #80 |
111. I have no idea, Haele, what percentage those six represent as a portion of the whole. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
83. Well, I've Never |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
91. Because in the past it was my business to know. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
108. What sad, narrow, tired, little boxes those thoughts reside in |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #108 |
136. And ironically, it was NIXON who last proposed a guaranteed annual income |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #108 |
137. What a wonderful post. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
127. Frankly, you are part of the problem. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
144. That's just idiotic |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
149. Clearly, you have never received any form of public assistance |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
156. Social programs will inherently have some free riders, there is no way around that |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
184. Not a large statistical universe you have there, but you are right... |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
21. K&R'd! nt |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
22. K and R |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
24. K & R ... |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
25. "repeal the child labor laws |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
26. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, damn it! |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
31. Having spent nearly 25 years |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. Well said...and the time involved to "scam the system" would |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
32. Beautifully and poignantly written. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
33. Preach it, brother |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
89. Wonderful post |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
139. Excellent post. |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
34. Thank you... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
36. Swift. "A Modest Proposal". |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
38. So sad, and so true. The part about laying off CPS workers while hiring fraud investigators |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. The same is true of Medicaid and Medicare |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
40. Always money there is to check fraud of the "welfare queens" |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
41. The pallets of cash "lost" in Iraq |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I fully agree |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
42. Thank you for this piece---your average middle-class person has NO IDEA |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. You are so right! Everything in your post, but especially this: |
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shellgame26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
142. That's exactly right! |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
171. Good post but... You "feed" animals, not human beings. How about saying "provide food" or... |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #171 |
186. That is without a doubt the most petty whinging bit of crap I've ever seen |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #186 |
196. Right back at ya' -- you are the one who is petty. I said it was my OPINION and I am entitled to it. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
56. when your clients can pay off (D) and (R) politicians, they will get |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
62. Too many people believe in Social Darwinism until it happens to them. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
64. We need more stories like this on the front page of every news outlet. n/t |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
66. I had the concept of "welfare" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Typical conservative view of that. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
226. Actually, the Teacher was |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
67. Agree with everything, but not sure withholding free stuff qualifies as "punishment"... n/t |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
68. K&R |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
70. Bill Clinton, Best Moderate Republican President ever. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
72. It's time to bring welfare BACK! |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #72 |
140. Right on. (n/t) |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
189. Not entirely |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
81. Big K & R !!! |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
85. K&R |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
88. You wanna know who gets an A+ for changes made during his administration for women on AFDC?? |
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JANdad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
95. You are being sarcatic right?????? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. I happen to think that in terms of |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
158. If that's true, the record is even more pathetic than thought. |
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mentalslavery (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
97. Social work is one of the hardest jobs out there. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. Thank you. Yours is one of the few voices on this thread that heard the real message. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #106 |
152. Thank you! |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #152 |
222. Thanks, Bobbie |
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mentalslavery (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #106 |
153. Thanks, I appreciate your service to our country. SW is a family affair |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #153 |
187. there are no words..... |
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mentalslavery (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #187 |
218. A rich country for the top 1%, The rest of us...........nt |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
98. I've been living this for the last few years |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
100. Time to put socialism on the table in the U.S.A. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Capitalism worked exactly the way it was supposed to |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
102. Yes. "By their acts shall ye know them" says this atheist - we hate the poor, children, elders, |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #102 |
143. Thank you for advocating a guaranteed income. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #143 |
229. Nixon, our last liberal president, proposed a guaranteed income for all. |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
105. The flaw in welfare has always been that those of us of the progressive and... |
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haele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #105 |
205. I think the reason so many people are against small potatoes "slackers" and "gamers" |
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Spacemom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
107. Happy to be the 100th rec |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
110. Ditto/k&r/nt |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
115. Everyone should have a right to food shelter and healthcare |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #115 |
146. Yes, and it should be an *unconditional* right. |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
116. So sad |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
117. Thank you so much for this. |
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trickyguy (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
128. Greed at the top. Need at the bottom. It's the American Way. |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
134. I have become who I used to help... |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #134 |
181. Made-off also took from non-profits |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-29-08 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
150. My wish for the New Year.... |
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bobd0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
161. See photo below |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
162. Kick! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
166. very inspiring posts |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
168. "I read of billion dollar bailouts and disappearing pallettes of cash..." |
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Happyhippychick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
169. I'm in the same line of work, too. I'm a therapist for low income families. |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #169 |
172. "Those people..." |
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Happyhippychick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #172 |
175. Exactly. When you are in a position of actually having spoken with a homeless or low income |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
174. Wish I could recommend, the system is hard |
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demodonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
176. Not all Social Workers are good people... BEWARE some... |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #176 |
178. Another sad reality... |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #178 |
200. In The Case |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #178 |
221. absolutely |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #178 |
227. And those of us alone and without family to oversee everything are in even WORSE shape! |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
182. One more thing |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
183. In all the great big world, no one hates Americans... |
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lenegal (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
185. We lost our soul as a country a long time ago. When our government cares not |
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SCantiGOP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
192. this could have been written by my wife |
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Yellow Horse (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. Good for your wife, but what about legal help for the middle class... |
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mntleo2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #194 |
216. the poor don't get help either |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
193. A Depressing Topic That Just Goes On and On |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #193 |
199. The best analogy I have for the modern Democratic party is New Labour in Britain |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
195. What will Happen When |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
202. As long as people keep voting against their economic interests... |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #202 |
208. ... And people in need who don't vote at all |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #202 |
213. Our first Republicrat President... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #202 |
230. Keep blaming the victims. That's such GOOD strategery. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #230 |
231. Do they or do they not keep electing the corporatists who fuck them over? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #231 |
233. NO |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. It's clear. It's a LIE. But it's clear. |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
207. Food Pantry: Grapefruit Juice and Saltines |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
214. Thank you.....no words |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-30-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
217. I almost became a MSW, but knew I didn't have the stomach |
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