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carpe diem (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:06 PM Original message |
Obama's trying to innoculate himelf from Oct. surprise w/ FISA vote. |
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Kdillard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. I completely agree |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. yes expedience first by all means nt |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't think many here get that. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. So true |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I wish Feingold had run, but he didn't |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. But he would have been painted as a loony leftist and lost |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Doctrinally pure? You're kidding, right? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. The constitution has been expendable since John Adams with the Alien and Sedition Acts |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Despite your condescending tone, I will tell you what I realize. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
76. I'm just saying that people on this board... |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I accept your apology. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #76 |
97. We didn't have the technology or prison system then that we have now |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #22 |
117. Maybe the executive branch itself was a bad idea? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Well, god knows that DU is the only place where you can go to find |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. The Fourth Amendment is not an opinion. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
99. If you think it's just DU, you need to get around more |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
116. Well said |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
118. this "doctrinal purity" bullshit is so insulting and wrong. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:16 PM Response to Original message |
4. The sworn duty to uphold the constutution and protect the rights of the people should be paramount. |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Amen! |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Obama believes this DOES restore the Constitution |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Um. not really. |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
91. Truth #1: 4th amendment restored |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. You have got to be kidding. |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Wow. Just wow. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #91 |
100. The telecom lobbyists wrote the bill with Republicans and conservative Dems |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:43 AM Response to Reply #91 |
101. Are the FISA courts involved now? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #101 |
127. Yes, they are |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #91 |
119. hahahaha. you're cute. |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #21 |
133. Yes, thank you!!!!! NT |
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Labors of Hercules (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. He's got to win before he can be sworn in. |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Do you think a "no" on FISA means he can't win? |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
120. agreed. How many times must we shout to the Heavens that AMERICANS HATE SPYING BILLS! |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
102. So we're back to Anyone but Bush? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
65. Cheers! |
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Democrats_win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. Keating 5. Can we trust another crook in the White House? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
103. No. We can't. |
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hokies4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. He's also cutting into McCain's maverick brand |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. Very well could be. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
11. I personally am not willing to give up my personal liberties and expectation of privacy |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. If Obama loses, McCain will continue down the Bush path of destruction. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. If Obama can't win with superior "grass-roots" support |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. He doesn't have the media behind him, has a funny sounding name and is labelled "exotic" *winkwink* |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I wholly disagree with everything you just said |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Would so many people believe he was a muslim terrorist if he weren't a dark skinned man named Obama? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. What? Like the ten percent who worship Hannity? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Even people who have sincerely good intentions can be biased. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. Gore won the popular vote in 2000 |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yep |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. That's true. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. And Presidents have been ignoring those protections since John Adams |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I expect Obama to start repairing the damage if he gets elected |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. No it's not a good excuse but perspective is important |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Gee all the other presidents ignore the Consitution so it must be okay. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Never said it was okay |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. He should stand up for the Constitution |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. And if the founding fathers hadn't caved on outlawing slavery |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. By the time the Constitution came along, we were past singing the British anthem |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Yes, just corrected myself |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. And caving on slavery turned out so well, didn't it? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. We wouldn't be a country if we hadn't caved on slavery |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. But the point I'm making is it still ended up horribly..... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. The outcome is going to be the same no matter how he votes |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. I'm not saying he can stop it. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Until someone figures out a way that he can do that and win a presidential election |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Why do you think he can't win if he votes against this? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. It's not that he can't win, but it's very very risky to vote against it |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Sorry. Not buying it. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #77 |
104. How well has holding our noses while our politicians pandered worked out for us so far? |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Voting "no" on FISA is not overturning 200 years of precedent. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #42 |
93. Never said he was anything more than a politician |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. I guarantee you |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
105. I beg to differ on one point, "He can win this thing without this vote" |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #29 |
94. highly misleading |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
34. To the OP..many here don't understand at all how presidential politics works |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. "Trust me - I'll just vote to undo the Constitution today |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Exactly. We have a winner. n/t |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. His is just one vote. He's not going to be caught as weak on terror and waste political capital |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I'm thinking like an American |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. And you're thinking like someone who loses elections |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. If we lose the Constitution it won't matter who wins the election |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Again, Obama is one vote and it's going to pass anyways |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Wellstone was one vote and the IWR passed anyway |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Look at his issues and compare them with McCain...Supreme Court..hello??? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #73 |
132. Pro death penalty, anti-Fourth Amendment |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Game not over. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
121. again with the "purity" bullshit. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #50 |
128. Centrists don't get anything done |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
81. Oh, I get it. |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Good, glad you understand how things work |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. I know. I hate those losers with ideals and shit. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #89 |
129. LOL Forkboy |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #34 |
106. Weak on terror? Nobody is buying the terror charade anymore |
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GihrenZabi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #34 |
122. "Change" |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. No, he's trying to piss off the left |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. good point, middle America doesn't follow all the votes in congress |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #43 |
107. Which totally supports NOT voting for it. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #107 |
115. Besides power. nt |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
136. Last summer Amy Klobuchar voted for FISA when it came up |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. And if the left stops writing checks, or making phone calls and doesn't show up on election day |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. I think he thinks he can. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I don't know many people on the left who ever thought of him as a bleeding heart liberal |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. I wasn't talking about the left, |
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charlyvi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. I will vote for him.... |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Yeah like they will not vote and help McCain win..no progressive will do that |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. This progressive's pocketbook is closed to Obama |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. And if the Supreme Court goes RW because McCain is elected |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Obama has a lot more money than I do |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. You have no idea what you are even talking about |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Why are you humping a RW talking point? |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. 2 Dem presidents in 4 decades proves |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #87 |
113. Spoken like a true Obama-bot |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #85 |
112. Deleted message |
dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
131. Democrats lose because they have ceased to stand for anything |
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GihrenZabi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #49 |
124. Getting the donation back |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
46. And if McCain wins, he has all the spying power he wants compliments of the dems |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
108. I don't understand that people don't get that point. |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. They are not thinking. They are in an appeasement or apologist mindset |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
55. That's how we got into Iraq. Now we are giving incompetent Bush more power. |
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iconicgnom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
62. "In 2004, a few days before the election, Osama bin Laden released a videotape" |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
66. I don't get how the FISA vote innoculates Obama in any way. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. it doesn't... this is just a conspiracy theory - NT |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
68. That's DLC type b.s. |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #68 |
88. He hasn't even voted yet and you call him a disgrace to the Constitution |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #88 |
114. Obama proved my point yesterday with his disgusting remarks |
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GihrenZabi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #88 |
123. Translation: |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. I never believed Obama was about real change |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #126 |
130. There's always Nader, if taking a shower every time you support Obama becomes too much for you |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #130 |
135. Never said I'd vote for Nader |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
70. Oh bullshit. If there's an October surprise it will prove wiretaps don't prevent "terrorism." |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
71. This is a classic case of Obama the Dem cowering before Right wing stereotypes of Dems |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #71 |
125. And pretty much proves that if he was in the Senate for the IWR |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #125 |
134. No, it doesn't, because he wouldn't have been running for President at the time. |
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Democratic Lawyer (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 12:03 AM Response to Original message |
90. Agreed |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
109. If anyone could convince the unbelievers of the bullshit of the terror thing |
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ToeBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
111. Uh ha, October 2012. nt |
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