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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:22 PM Original message |
Those against the death penalty need to remember something about Obama |
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DesertFlower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. i'm against the death penalty too, |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Odd this is the same kind of political "expediency" advocated by the DLC |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Machiavelli, Ma'am, Has Always Been High On My List.... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Haha me too sir |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. "A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise." |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Indeed, Sir: Why Do You Say This Like It Were A Bad Thing? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Why would you think I think a politician breaking a promise is a bad thing? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Fair Enough, Sir: Please Accept My Apology For The Mis-Judgement |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Well I can't speak for the rest of DU... |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. We are fifth in the world. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I bet if you polled for "non murder" it wouldn't get a majority |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. You need to find me that data. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Look I don't disagree with you on any particular point, I hate the death penalty |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. I understand your point about political expediency. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. There are some pro death penalty folks on this board |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
65. God forbid every issue is subject to a popularity poll |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. Alito, Roberts, Scalia and Thomas are the ones he agreed with here. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. And he is going to appoint justices like Ginsburg, Stevens, Breyer, and Souoter |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Rhetoric that conceals substance is hardly a hopeful new politics. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
45. Change doesn't come overnight |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
69. I am not so sure now |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. Being pro-death penalty is very different from being pro-death. |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. The problem is, the further Obama moves to the center, |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Obama = Stevens, Ginsburg, Breyer, Souter. McCain = Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. How do you know? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Every Democrat since Franklin Roosevelt has appointed liberal judges with little exception |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. He has flip flopped more than a carp on Fisherman's Wharf. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Roosevelt attacked Hoover for running up the deficit... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. I think those against the death penalty need to not compromise their position for the benefit |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Exactly |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I agree. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Then I wouldn't get to vote period because the two viable Democrats in the primaries were pro-death |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I think the politicians need to compromise, unfortunate as it is. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. What Is Your View On The Subject, Sir? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. It's always wrong. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Does Sen. Clinton Share That View, Sir? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I don't believe so. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Then Were You Not, Sir, Compromising Your View By Supporting Her? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. To be honest |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Doubtless Most Of Those You Address Here, Sir, Take The Same Stance Regarding Sen. Obama |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Or we believe that despite Obama's rhetoric, his election will help our cause |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Doubtless You Are Correct Regarding Judicial Appointments, Sir |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. That may be. For some, it may not be. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Does It Surprise You, Sir, That People Here Support The Party's Nominee? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. No, it doesn't. It surprises me that self-delusion and betrayal of convictions seem requisite |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. That Is A Bit Much, Sir |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Perhaps, Magistrate. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I don't have a problem with criticizing him for any of his stances |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Biggest problem with our side sometimes |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It's also inefficient and biasly applied |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
19. how do you know that? |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
27. Those who do not understand why Obama said what he did live in a Never-Neverland, |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. Bill Clinton |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Exactly |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. More idealogical purity test |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I think killing him is incredibly stupid, why make him a martyr in the eyes of his followers |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I agree |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. You know, I really like that shoveling snow in Alaska idea |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Can't take credit for it |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You wouldn't even need to put a gate around the place |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I think we can do it |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. See I'm about as soft on criminals as they come |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I've dated |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Have a close friend who was raped less than a year ago, it's a real nightmare |
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watrwefitinfor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
46. Thank you for a very sensible post. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
68. Thank you. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
60. I do not support it because mistakes - executing an innocent person - cannot be fixed. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-25-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. That is the Single Most Powerful Reason Against the Death Penalty |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 03:05 AM Response to Reply #60 |
73. How does one fix 10 years of imprisonment under false pretenses? You can't undo those 10 years |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
67. I hope so, because what he did today was praise Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Ohh |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Not even slightly relevant to what I said. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-26-08 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
72. I trust Obama to do the right thing when in power. |
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