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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:05 PM Original message |
Dems should propose legislation to make Pres. pardons of treason and/or |
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hang a left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. There should be legislation introduced that prohibits pardons for |
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Pab Sungenis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. Can't be done. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Tell me more. Could there be an amendment to the constitution? |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Yours is an interesting point... |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I'm learning now that the PPP (Presidential Pardon Power) |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Article, section and paragraph, please |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Article II, Section 2 |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. "Except in cases of impeachment". |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Sounds like the former to me, too. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Um, the supreme court will interpret this article. |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. It means that the president cannot pardon someone of an impeachment. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Ok, thanks. But prior to Cheney's impeachment, he could be pardoned, thus |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. No, that's the point. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Ah, ok. Thanks! |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Dang it, I checked and missed it anyway. Thanks. n/t |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think the legislation should be written so that |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. Only way to do that is amend the constitution. n/t |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Walt, do you think that is so far-fetched? |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Bushs will never pardon so long as the investigation is still ongoing |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. And would it be double-jeapordy if he were again indicted for new |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Nope, it would not be double jeopardy. It would be a new crime. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Hmmm... another interesting scenario. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Agreed, excellent point. eom |
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rzemanfl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. I agree the pardon is already signed and is probably in Libbys |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. They should propose an amendment, whether or not it gets passed. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Found an interesting article on the subject. It's been tried recently. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. I didn't realize that Pres. pardons could be given before one is convicted |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Ford pardoned Nixon |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I agree, and must admit that until now, I never understood just how |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. A question: does the president lose his pardon power the moment he's |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. That would make sense, but the assumption is that a member of his own |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Ah, that's true. Even if he and Cheney were removed at the same time, |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-29-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. No. |
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