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Gothmog

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42. The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:24 PM
Apr 2020

I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on




If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what they’ve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. It’s not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....

The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough

This would have some salutary effects.

First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the “democratic socialist” crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of “Bernie or Bust” Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.

Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda — and personally cohesive.

Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.

In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)

The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home


I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Sanders himself is behind all of it. William769 Mar 2020 #1
BS definitely highers those top, toxic staffers, - for years empedocles Mar 2020 #6
BS defintely hires those top, toxic staffers - for years empedocles Mar 2020 #17
Exactly. Like the Script Attacking Warren... TomCADem Mar 2020 #41
+1 -K&R. If he would just shut the whole thing down he wouldn't onetexan Mar 2020 #31
It's a disaster for Bernie. I hope he loses his seat in the senate to a democrat captain queeg Mar 2020 #2
That's the way I'm looking at it.. this is on him.. Cha Mar 2020 #12
+1 MontanaMama Mar 2020 #21
I hope he loses his seat in the senate to a democrat.... you took the words right out of my mouth trueblue2007 Mar 2020 #28
Sigh. Isn't this counterproductive at this point? Laelth Mar 2020 #3
Which - his campaign against Democrats or the Washington Post reporting? George II Mar 2020 #4
Thanks. No sense in sweeping what he's doing Cha Mar 2020 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2020 #22
We Should Be Forewarned and Know What to Expect TomCADem Mar 2020 #5
No. Just as attention must be drawn to Trump's lies and smears, any influential person's for that emmaverybo Mar 2020 #7
Is There a Mutual Non-Aggression Pact Between Trump/BS on Ads? TomCADem Mar 2020 #10
Some have wondered. It is strange that Bernie has not more consistently criticized Trump, emmaverybo Mar 2020 #16
The Campaign financial numbers are due next week, which will make for interesting reading. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #30
Yes, his campaign is quite counterproductive at this point. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #9
Bernie should make it productive and tell the bros to shut up NCProgressive Mar 2020 #19
Yes, sadly. What Bernie is doing right now is very counterproductive for Dems & the country... Hekate Mar 2020 #26
Bernie speaks with a forked tongue. sop Mar 2020 #8
Denials implausible? I'd say. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #11
Look at the replies from Bernie supporters on Swalwell's tweet. showblue22 Mar 2020 #14
Wow karin_sj Mar 2020 #24
There is a forum for former DU people showblue22 Mar 2020 #25
the qualifier "Trump-like campaign" is not needed Skittles Mar 2020 #15
Daily Beast: It's Over. Bernie's Push for a Trump-Like Takeover Is Done. TomCADem Mar 2020 #18
Bernie is the man NCProgressive Mar 2020 #20
Yep. I've come to believe he can't help it. Hortensis Mar 2020 #29
BS Likes to Make Everything All About Him TomCADem Mar 2020 #34
Extremely sleazy, unprincipled behavior, and I've Hortensis Mar 2020 #36
I believe Hillary's recent comments to Hulu about Bernie were correct. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #38
:) Barney Frank long ago described the pleasures of Hortensis Mar 2020 #40
True, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #39
The time he said he loves the word "spoiler" says it all. betsuni Mar 2020 #23
Did he like it when Joe Biden "spoiled" the Super Tuesdays Cha Mar 2020 #37
Forked tongue is a mess on our ballot all right, but in one respect Hortensis Mar 2020 #27
Well well well.. And, there you have it .. the final word.. Cha Mar 2020 #32
Well, Bernie doesn't have gold faucets dalton99a Mar 2020 #33
I'm starting to look at Sanders as a vaccine BidenBacker Mar 2020 #35
The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness Gothmog Apr 2020 #42
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