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Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
105. The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:12 PM
Apr 2020

I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on




If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what they’ve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. It’s not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....

The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough

This would have some salutary effects.

First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the “democratic socialist” crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of “Bernie or Bust” Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.

Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda — and personally cohesive.

Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.

In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)

The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home


I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Hello Magistrate!! could not agree more Peacetrain Mar 2020 #1
+1,000,000 Kahuna Mar 2020 #2
Magistrate...what took you so long to come back...this is a masterful, wonderful post. I agree Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #3
Astute Reasoning, Sir! MineralMan Mar 2020 #4
"well-meaning supporters" William769 Mar 2020 #5
I Am Sure Many People Who Support Sanders Mean Well, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #10
I still don't get it. William769 Mar 2020 #15
Many Do Not Know What They Are Actually Supporting, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #20
I've enjoyed out chat and I will leave you with this hoping the other side will see it William769 Mar 2020 #22
Maybe that is why True Blue American Mar 2020 #45
You Are Certainly My Senior, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #47
I am True Blue American Mar 2020 #51
Lucky you! I wish I had those fireside chats memories. Glorfindel Mar 2020 #73
It's stunning how few people know that our greatest domestic POTUS Aquaria Mar 2020 #81
If You Want The Contemporary Liberal Point Of View On The Man, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #82
I'm an unreconstructed LBJ loyalist. geralmar Mar 2020 #86
Thank You For Sharing That, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #90
Thank you for your unexpected courtesy. geralmar Mar 2020 #91
Much Appreciated, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2020 #93
geralmar, MyOwnPeace Mar 2020 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2020 #103
Agree. Many BS Surrogates Have Been Anti Democratic Party TomCADem Mar 2020 #99
There Is Little Question, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #100
Not when the raison d'etre is to attack and denounce the party he purportedly wishes to represent dalton99a Mar 2020 #6
Great post, we have missed you! redstatebluegirl Mar 2020 #7
His supporters want the same thing he does. showblue22 Mar 2020 #8
Well, Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #11
I think that might be a bit optimistic. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #16
Wasn't there an exit poll out of Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #17
The Social Media Fanatics, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #13
I was happy to hear Mr. Biden say he was not interested in debating bs. Sends a strong message Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #9
I agree, sir. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #12
Agree completely. Except I strongly suspect his rage, reported Hortensis Mar 2020 #14
Securing The Nomination, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #24
Yup. Validation of his belief that he truly represents the people Hortensis Mar 2020 #32
True, Ma'am --- A Dedicated Vanguardist The Magistrate Mar 2020 #75
Striking patterns of thinking and behavior. nt Hortensis Mar 2020 #79
sanders wants to remake the Democratic Party into his own image Gothmog Mar 2020 #18
"...weaken if not wreck the 'Democratic Establishment'." This appears to be the case. nt AnotherMother4Peace Mar 2020 #19
Sanders was never in it to win the nomination NCProgressive Mar 2020 #21
I've been quietly tolerating BS... ZenDem Mar 2020 #23
It Has Done That To A Number Of Us, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #97
Bernie's ability to weaken the Democratic "establishment" diminishes with every day he stays in the beastie boy Mar 2020 #25
True, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #27
This is a 50/50 proposition. beastie boy Mar 2020 #38
You Make A Good Point, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #40
Pleasure chating with you beastie boy Mar 2020 #68
It's the "Democratic Party". You might fix the OP Hokie Mar 2020 #26
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #29
what happens if Biden contracts covid-19 before election AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #28
Of Course Not Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #30
I believe this was always the case ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #31
Calling all Bernie supporters! Calling all Bernie supporters! NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #33
So true. Nt BootinUp Mar 2020 #34
I got alerted on and had posts removed lillypaddle Mar 2020 #35
That Is A Shame, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #37
Same here! True Blue American Mar 2020 #49
Same here Frances Mar 2020 #55
Professor Warren, Ma'am, Was My Prefered Candidate As Well The Magistrate Mar 2020 #59
I'm a bit more cynical than you. MarianJack Mar 2020 #36
I Do Not Discount That Motivation, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #39
Hello from Winthrop, Maine and... MarianJack Mar 2020 #83
I Seem To Be Losing My Touch, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #84
I'm going to be 65 in June, so... MarianJack Mar 2020 #85
Unless he drops the -I and adds a -D, he's not a Democrat to me Mr. Ected Mar 2020 #41
I'm sorry to say this, but the ONLY thing Bernie can accomplish at this point world wide wally Mar 2020 #42
Quite True, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #44
I completely agree. There will be no "revolution". NurseJackie Mar 2020 #43
No, Ma'am, There Will Not Be The Magistrate Mar 2020 #96
This post really ticks me off lefthandedskyhook Mar 2020 #46
'Bernie' Conducts Himself As An Enemy, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #53
Isn't he always talking about fighting the Democratic Party Establishment? brush Mar 2020 #80
The only revolution most Democrats want right now. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2020 #48
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #52
Exactly, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #54
Very well said seta1950 Mar 2020 #50
Excellent post - you hit the nail on the head, thanks for the insight! George II Mar 2020 #56
I have gone from finding Bernie interesting to being terrified by him Politicub Mar 2020 #57
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #98
Democratic Party is the party of unions. McCamy Taylor Mar 2020 #58
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #60
Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #63
What a fine first post! McCamy Taylor Mar 2020 #65
I Hope No One Alerts On It, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #72
Sorry To See It Gone, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #87
here's the thing about Bernie.... quickesst Mar 2020 #61
You make a good point here. McCamy Taylor Mar 2020 #62
A Good Point, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #67
Oh, and wanna plug Eric Hobsbawn's "Bandits" McCamy Taylor Mar 2020 #64
Spread The Word, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #69
Four years can feel like everything. Tucker08087 Mar 2020 #66
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #71
It's Ma'am, but perfectly acceptable. Tucker08087 Mar 2020 #74
Bravo Magistrate DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #70
... NanceGreggs Mar 2020 #76
Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #77
You are most welcome, sir. NanceGreggs Mar 2020 #78
Thank you! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #88
Yep. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #89
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #94
Kick for visibility... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #95
So obvious SheltieLover Mar 2020 #101
Thank You, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #104
The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness Gothmog Apr 2020 #105
It Is Not Just Sanders For Whom This Is A Vanity Project, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #107
Bernie Sanders is out. And the insincere praise begins. Gothmog Apr 2020 #106
A Small Note In Explanaition Of That Mindset, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #108
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