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frazzled

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7. How would it provide more PPE, more ventilators, more tests, more hospital beds?
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 01:10 PM
Mar 2020

Medicare for all is insurance. It's about people's medical costs. As far as I can tell, it would do nothing to spur the manufacture of the critical items needed only in a pandemic, and would not provide more doctors and nurses, or more hospitals.

Responsible leadership in a crisis is what will help to provide the care that is needed in a crisis. Medicare for All would just mean everyone who could get care would have it financially covered. Getting the care would still be hard.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Even the magical health care for all Watchfoxheadexplodes Mar 2020 #1
Which is why Bernie just spoke about the personal costs associated with it ON TOP AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #5
So why does Bernie even mention "quality care", if M4A does not address it? beastie boy Mar 2020 #16
Well, I have a personal take on it, but I would have to look for his precise meaning. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #25
A universal healthcare system doesn't place value on stockpiling either. beastie boy Mar 2020 #54
Bernie should DownriverDem Mar 2020 #24
This plague customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #51
He's been in Washington for almost 30 years, what has he done to enact his "m4a"? It takes.... George II Mar 2020 #41
I can't believe that Sanders and his surrogates and his supporters are politicizing this... George II Mar 2020 #43
Well, I don't think he's suggesting that we could snap fingers, AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #44
So, since you brought up H1N1 elsewhere here (that was 11 years ago), what has he DONE.... George II Mar 2020 #47
I don't think he's been particularly effective on this point. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #53
Let's see, in Washington since 1991 and "he's had recent success just building support".... George II Mar 2020 #55
My enthusiasm for his effectiveness is a low point. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #57
The Voters Rejected BS and his agenda who Spent 4x More Cha Mar 2020 #65
Just setting aside the strains on our current dysfunctional system for a moment. Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #6
You touched all the bases: George II Mar 2020 #42
And you completely avoided the keystone of the issue: AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #46
I don't deal in buzzwords and catch phrases. None of these things Sanders is talking about.... George II Mar 2020 #48
Awesome. So that means you CAN address this. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #50
Italy..think Italy with universal health care. Imagine M4a with dotard in charge..no thank you! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #58
Actually, polling shows that people want the option of private insurance. ehrnst Apr 2020 #94
That is still a failure to contain the disease, initially. tirebiter Apr 2020 #81
That Last Is Good Point, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #82
Italy and Spain have Medicare for All Promisep Mar 2020 #2
Preventing the disaster is a public policy issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #9
So if we had that "system" we could have avoided all of this? BTW, the US wasn't overwhelmed... George II Mar 2020 #45
I think you misunderstood me. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #49
They just move the goalposts when confronted with reality HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #26
This Has Been Another Episode Of Lame Comments From No One In Particular, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #3
Would we have had more tests/hospital beds/ventilators/masks/gloves, and trained medical personnel? Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #4
There are serious pain points coming with this, that Italy isn't going to experience. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #13
Ok. So we agree the "quality care" is misleading? Survivors not going bankrupt is another issue. Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #23
I think there are assumptions made about quality of care for 'socialized' medicine that AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #31
How would it provide more PPE, more ventilators, more tests, more hospital beds? frazzled Mar 2020 #7
That is... the point? Right? AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #14
The point is, it wouldn't frazzled Mar 2020 #18
It's pretty relevant to people who have lost their jobs, and simultaneously, their health insurance. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #27
See Post #15 frazzled Mar 2020 #30
Post 15 is great and raises some good issues, but does not address what I just pointed out to you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #35
Except Trump would be in charge relayerbob Mar 2020 #8
Trump is in charge now and people still get their social benefits Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #12
Not watching the news much, I take it relayerbob Mar 2020 #19
They're probably not covering that on RT HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #29
... Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #69
For how long? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #62
Food stamps have been cut to hundreds of thousands of people, CHIP has been slashed.... George II Mar 2020 #68
Is that the battle we are fighting today? gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #10
Shame voters didn't believe he could pull it off. Hoyt Mar 2020 #11
Correct me if I am wrong, but there is nothing in M4A that addresses beastie boy Mar 2020 #15
This. ucrdem Mar 2020 #22
Ideally, we might not then need 2tn in support to the economy. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #37
It can influence SOME aspects of this. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #34
That's not what Bernie said. beastie boy Mar 2020 #52
If people skip certain forms of treatment to save personal cost, or refuse to go to the Dr AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #56
What Bernie said is not debatable. beastie boy Mar 2020 #61
I don't like defending weasel words but AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #63
His statements completely ignore the MineralMan Mar 2020 #17
And if this dream is ever going to come to pass lees1975 Mar 2020 #20
The obvious point is the anything Sanders has to say about anything is... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #21
And yet people are dying like flies in countries that have a form of MFA. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #28
What an absurd, libertarian-league argument. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2020 #36
This! All of this! AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #38
Would it though? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #32
Look. ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #33
In fairness, and almost as large of a policy issue, Bernie would like to do something about that AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #40
No it can't, it doesn't exist. Where does he get those numbers..... George II Mar 2020 #39
This is at least the 10th thread about this. Same arguments, nothing solved Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #59
Even Sanders doesn't put forward any answers, all he does is criticize and say "we have to _______" George II Mar 2020 #66
It's a different issue treestar Mar 2020 #60
Bernie is irrelevant now. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #64
I am just so tired of sanders saying he's the ONLY one that has pushed for universal health care Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #67
Reality Check BidenBacker Mar 2020 #70
This Is A Necessary Discussion, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #71
Perhaps BidenBacker Mar 2020 #72
That, My Friend, Is A Purely 'Stump Speech' Reply The Magistrate Mar 2020 #74
My cyberfriend, Mag BidenBacker Apr 2020 #75
I Am Defending Nothing, Sir, Of Any Specific Program Sanders May Have Offered The Magistrate Apr 2020 #79
You know what I would like to see, Mag? BidenBacker Apr 2020 #85
I Am Inclined To Agree, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #86
Reminds me of an old saying BidenBacker Apr 2020 #87
Bernie Sanders SAYS a lot of things. In turn he DOES very little. I'm sick to death of this... NNadir Mar 2020 #73
Doesn't he have a real job to do? nt doc03 Apr 2020 #76
Bullshitter gonna Bullshit. PubliusEnigma Apr 2020 #77
This is a classic example of Bernie at work BidenBacker Apr 2020 #78
Just As matter Of Principle, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #80
In Bernie's case BidenBacker Apr 2020 #88
Utopians Do Not Count, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #89
M4ALL and Other Programs Do NOT Provide Any Care Indykatie Apr 2020 #83
True, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #84
I'm sure glad Bernie wasn't in charge of NASA back in the early 60s BidenBacker Apr 2020 #90
That Was Some Fun Footage, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #91
Sometimes I think I was born 20 years too late BidenBacker Apr 2020 #92
Tell that to Italy. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2020 #93
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