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Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
38. Reality says otherwise
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 10:58 PM
Mar 2020

*BS can win with the under 45 voters all he wants, but if only a handful of them vote, then it's useless to think that matters any. Youth can't expect to get the candidate they want, or the changes they want--or for anyone to care about what issues matter to them--if they'd rather play video games or stare at their phone screens than get out and vote. Squeaky wheels get the grease in politics. The grease for the Democratic party will be going to women, African-Americans and somewhat liberal/moderate Democrats.

Because they, you know, vote. That's what counts. Not what ifs and maybes.

*Medicare 4 All--REJECTED. Especially once pollsters started asking people if they wanted to give up their private insurance for it. They didn't:

KFF polling finds more Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents would prefer voting for a candidate who wants to build on the ACA in order to expand coverage and reduce costs rather than replace the ACA with a national Medicare-for-all plan (Figure 12). Additionally, KFF polling has found broader public support for more incremental changes to expand the public health insurance program in this country including proposals that expand the role of public programs like Medicare and Medicaid (Figure 13)


https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

*AOC has done NOTHING to advance the party. A flea could have won her district as a D, and most Democrats who aren't hard left distrust her, dislike her, or both. Really. You might want to find out what Democrats who are somewhat liberal to moderate have to say about her in other forums, online and off. Let's say that there aren't very many fans. In fact, the consensus is that she needs to focus on becoming a legislator more, and picking Twitter wars with people less. She's not helping herself there, and she's definitely not helping the party any.

*A substantially increased minimum wage was on the policy wish-list LONG before Sanders or Warren took it up. The amount called for varied, but a generous minimum wage hike was long part of the Democratic platform. No need to claim credit for that, when it is wholly undeserved. Plenty of Democrats have written the legislation for it, but, huh, not BS. Funny how that works. He's a legislator. If he's so gung-ho on that issue, where is his legislation? Why hasn't he gotten off his back bench and put forward a bill, gathered up co-sponsors and done the necessary parlaying to get it passed?

Well, maybe because it would be a first for him. It's not like he has even a mediocre record as a legislator.

*They party hasn't shifted any further left than it was in 2008, or, heck, 1992. It's scarcely changed, in all those years. Sure, it now supports LGBT rights more than it did in the past, but that's about the only major change that's come down. There is little difference between the Democratic party now, and the party of 30 years ago in the support for fair taxation, ameliorating poverty, women's rights, legal abortion, workers, the environment, gun control (which BS has a terrible record on), and more. Maybe if BS and his supporters had read any of those platforms, rather than flinging feces at them and at REAL Democrats in general, they wouldn't look so ignorant about reality.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Sanders is like a gnat in the sweltering hot weather in Florida. NT William769 Mar 2020 #1
Thank You! Jeeze! Cha Mar 2020 #2
Hey Cha Gothmog Mar 2020 #61
He needs to concede mcar Mar 2020 #3
He's having a hard time dealing with this. ucrdem Mar 2020 #4
He's beginning to look like a 21st Century Harold Stassen. George II Mar 2020 #6
That's giving him more credit than perhaps he deserves. ucrdem Mar 2020 #7
Bernie returned True Blue American Apr 2020 #102
So I had to look up Harold Stassen.. I knew Cha Mar 2020 #8
There are flies that orbit a charging bull's head NCProgressive Mar 2020 #5
Sanders won the issues, and with voters under 45. Biden won on electability. DanTex Mar 2020 #9
No he didn't! What are these "issues" that Sander won? The majority of Democrats AND.... George II Mar 2020 #10
so going forward.... Locrian Mar 2020 #13
The kind that we can pass quickly...millions of people's lives depend on it...can't have some huge Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #15
We have the infrastructure of the ACA in place, along with REAL Medicare (not some faux "for all") George II Mar 2020 #16
Medicare 4 All is not the panacea you think it is Aquaria Mar 2020 #39
Sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - Gothmog Mar 2020 #11
No, it obviously isn't. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #12
Of course it is! He won overwhelmingly among young voters. DanTex Mar 2020 #19
That's what Sanders' supporters claimed in 2016 Orrex Mar 2020 #31
And they were right. Young voters again went to Bernie by huge numbers. DanTex Mar 2020 #32
If they'd gone in huge numbers, he'd have won. Orrex Mar 2020 #34
But they didn't turn out in huge numbers Aquaria Mar 2020 #41
And if BS's "ideas" had any traction, Aquaria Mar 2020 #42
Again, ignoring the data. DanTex Mar 2020 #48
Think Joe Biden Has a Young Voter Problem? Think Again. Gothmog Mar 2020 #64
sanders young voters never showed up Gothmog Apr 2020 #100
Biden does not have an issue with young voters in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #45
Why do you think that he coudn't inspire them to register and get to a polling place on a Tuesday? ehrnst Mar 2020 #72
Memes and online polls do not vote Gothmog Apr 2020 #104
I still suspect Aquaria Mar 2020 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Anon-C Mar 2020 #56
Biden won and that is that...and M4A will never pass Congress. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #17
He won by cleaning up with older voters. Bernie and progressives are the future. DanTex Mar 2020 #20
Time is not on Bernie's side. nt William769 Mar 2020 #22
If Sander got younger voters, he could have won...they didn't show up Dan...his base Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #23
He did get younger voters by huge margins. Turnout was the problem. DanTex Mar 2020 #27
Woulda coulda shoulda Aquaria Mar 2020 #43
The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign Gothmog Mar 2020 #52
The young folks today will not get older and still be in his "movement." showblue22 Mar 2020 #26
Of course they will. It's a generational shift. DanTex Mar 2020 #30
If they didn't vote for him, you can't say that he won them. It's really that simple. Orrex Mar 2020 #35
They did vote for him. Just look at the exit polls. DanTex Mar 2020 #36
Joe Biden supported $15 minimum wage in 2015. betsuni Mar 2020 #44
LOL. For fast food workers in New York. DanTex Mar 2020 #46
Fight for Fifteen started in 2012 and has raised minimum wages around the country. betsuni Mar 2020 #50
LOL. Bernie has been driving the fight for $15. It has everything to do with Bernie. DanTex Mar 2020 #55
Reality Aquaria Mar 2020 #59
All this seems to be an excuse to repeat the word "centrist." betsuni Mar 2020 #60
"Pro-corporate centrists", please. Codeine Mar 2020 #66
The problem with this straw you clutch so desperately Aquaria Mar 2020 #51
Again, you ignore the exit poll data, which is understandable because it totally contradicts DanTex Mar 2020 #57
According to the exit data hard left lost to moderate in a landslide redstateblues Mar 2020 #58
But their "huge numbers" weren't enough to do shit for him Orrex Mar 2020 #62
Incidentally, I love how you tag dissenters as "centrist" Orrex Mar 2020 #63
Think Joe Biden Has a Young Voter Problem? Think Again. Gothmog Mar 2020 #47
LOL. Yeah, against Trump, of course Biden does better with younger voters. DanTex Mar 2020 #49
LOL the real world is a nice place Gothmog Mar 2020 #53
Message From Hillary Gothmog Mar 2020 #75
Folks are going to believe what they want, regardless of the reality jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #18
It would take years to put every person in the country on Medicare...and the cost would be Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #24
new deal style policies would ease the pain of the millions who jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #70
Reality says otherwise Aquaria Mar 2020 #38
You have no idea what young voters want Codeine Mar 2020 #65
A majority of Democrats just don't like Bernie. It's not that complicated Walleye Apr 2020 #101
I am so glad you posted this...K&R Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #14
You are welcomed Gothmog Mar 2020 #37
They offered similar bullshit rationalizations when he LOST in 2016 Orrex Mar 2020 #21
+10000 Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #25
Sen. Sander's will never admit or realize showblue22 Mar 2020 #29
Yeah, he's a big fan of the "fake news" accusation Orrex Mar 2020 #33
He was arguing with himself. betsuni Mar 2020 #28
Give Bernie his participation trophy and be done with it. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #54
"The only thing he's owed is a chance to exit with grace." Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #67
"Sanders's vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected..." NurseJackie Mar 2020 #68
"Sanders's vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected." Hortensis Mar 2020 #69
+1000 oasis Mar 2020 #71
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Mar 2020 #73
Ouch! OnDoutside Mar 2020 #76
Why Can't Bernie Accept That Democratic Voters Didn't Want Him? Gothmog Mar 2020 #74
For me, the M4A litmus test excluded me from the revolution. bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #77
+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #81
He DID win the larger argument. Laelth Mar 2020 #78
Nope. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #79
Honestly, I don't care who deserves the credit. Laelth Mar 2020 #80
What ideas were considered "crazy" four years ago? betsuni Mar 2020 #82
M4A, UBI, Green New Deal (just to name three). Laelth Mar 2020 #83
Every four years the party platform becomes more progressive. That's how time works. betsuni Mar 2020 #84
Perhaps he takes more credit than he is due. Laelth Mar 2020 #89
Not Really, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #90
I see the red ink. I am not fond of it, either. Laelth Mar 2020 #91
Unfortunately, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #92
Not in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #85
No. The arguments haven't turned into reality yet. Laelth Mar 2020 #87
You do not take into account that the messenger has poisoned the message Gothmog Mar 2020 #93
sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - The Washington Post Gothmog Mar 2020 #86
Sanders can't win the nomination. Laelth Mar 2020 #88
sanders is not popular in the party Gothmog Mar 2020 #94
Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist Gothmog Apr 2020 #106
Kick Cha Mar 2020 #95
Hey Cha Gothmog Mar 2020 #96
Thank you for that, Tweet, Goth! Please check out my OP Cha Mar 2020 #97
... Scurrilous Mar 2020 #98
How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #99
Bernie Sanders is out. And the insincere praise begins. Gothmog Apr 2020 #103
Bernie Sanders Didn't Win the Ideas Primary, Either Gothmog Apr 2020 #105
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