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Hoyt

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10. No it would not. It would provide some revenue at least in short-run, but not enough to cover all
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:49 PM
Feb 2019

stuff we all want.

For example, in January, Sanders released his Estate Tax Plan saying it would raise $315 Billion over 10 years. That's roughly $31.5 Billion a year. Not bad, BUT our current deficit is $965 Billion. So now we are down to needing $953.5 just to balance the annual budget, much less working on the Debt or funding new programs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/31/bernie-sanders-proposes-big-estate-tax-hike-including-77percent-rate-for-billionaires.html


From memory, if we reverse the trump tax cuts, that will raise roughly $150 Billion annually (lower and middle income people got cuts toom, so they'll be impacted). Lets, add another $150 Billion to reverse george war bush's tax cuts. For the hell of it, let's reverse both those twice -- so we'd have $600 Billion roughly to go against the $953.5 Billion annual Deficit (and we'll assume those tax increases don't impact the economy negatively).

Se we are down to $353.5 Billion. So, let's cut the Military Budget, say $200 Billion. Now, we still have $153.5 Billion to go before we start working on the Debt and the new programs. Of course, cutting the military budget will cut a lot of the best jobs we have, but so what, we won't count that as a negative impact.

By the time we do all that, we've started hurting the economy, probably severely. There is also a proposal by Democrats to impose FICA tax on incomes over $250,000 (and another proposal for $400,000). That is like a 12.5 percentage point increase on top of those increases above and that money goes into trying to shore up Social Security, nothing else.

Fact is, Sanders can't do what he wants without taxing people making $40 - $50K on up too. He needs to just say it. Maybe people will say they are fine with increasing tax rates 15 - 20 percentage points, increasing FICA taxes, etc., paying off some Debt and then trying to fund some new programs. And, maybe people are stupid enough to believe that won't adversely impact the economy long-term.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Mahalo, bqackabby-blue. Cha Feb 2019 #1
tax the super rich Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #2
I was looking for policy detail backabby-blue Feb 2019 #3
thats a pretty specific policy Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #6
Sometimes it feels like people make it harder than it is... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #8
No it would not. It would provide some revenue at least in short-run, but not enough to cover all Hoyt Feb 2019 #10
see post 14 Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #17
Excluding Healthcare, counted $459.2 Billion in savings on other proposals, not even half deficit. Hoyt Feb 2019 #23
healtgcare saves 13 trillion over 10 years Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #30
Bernie plays a role - and it isn't winning, its expanding the Overton Window EndGOPPropaganda Feb 2019 #7
I agree if you want pesky policy detail Cha Feb 2019 #15
Like this? Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #16
It's not. They've been scrutinized and are very inadequate. Hortensis Mar 2019 #75
He has a plan to raise $27,000,000 from each of the 50 states but his role doesn't include winning? MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #25
It is a question all candidates need to answer for their policies Fiendish Thingy Mar 2019 #78
You were looking for policy detail? What about Kamala?! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #83
I wistfully recall when it was "millionaires AND billionaires" who were going to pay for everything. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #81
he was straight and to the point.. RazBerryBeret Feb 2019 #4
There is no policy detail there. nt backabby-blue Feb 2019 #5
how? Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #9
Except it's not anywhere close to providing the money we need to balance the annual budget, much Hoyt Feb 2019 #13
You dont need new taxes to pay for everything. Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #14
I know for a fact Vermont, Colorado and California abandoned single payer because they did not Hoyt Feb 2019 #21
Most of the money that goes to insurance companies is hoarded at the top Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #36
Insurance companies make about 6% of premiums. Add in advertising and sales costs you are looking Hoyt Feb 2019 #38
the "new funding" is made with the other examples that I have giving Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #42
There is no savings of $13 T with Medicare-for-All. Hoyt Feb 2019 #43
current system is 34 trillion over ten years Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #50
Your own article quotes experts saying it will cost more than that, and here is a former Clinton Hoyt Feb 2019 #68
25 to 30t over ten years Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #71
Sorry, Clinton's guy says 36 Trillion. And then, is Sanders one of those that thinks younger people Hoyt Feb 2019 #72
different numbers Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #73
Who gives a shit. Print the money. The same thing we do for wars and tax cuts and bank bailouts. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #24
Brilliant. Ever tried living on a fixed income during inflationary period? Exactly, why I'm not a Hoyt Feb 2019 #26
Inflation? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #27
Those numbers are a function of the fact that we don't just "print the money". lapucelle Feb 2019 #33
No, those trillions were found in a cabbage patch. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #35
Mixing apples and oranges? TexasTowelie Feb 2019 #34
Lol. Ok. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #46
I don't understand why you would laugh at that? TexasTowelie Feb 2019 #54
If printing money caused inflation it would be through the roof right now. It's not. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #55
LOL. TexasTowelie Feb 2019 #59
At least now you've done a little googling. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #62
No inflation? TexasTowelie Feb 2019 #64
You may notice your medical bills increasing but you don't understand why. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #74
Well, at least you conceded that there is inflation. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #85
We printed money after Vietnam. Inflation was over 10%. It cost Carter reelection and Hoyt Feb 2019 #41
Full employment and Wage growth caused that inflation. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #47
We'd have to print a lot more Bin Sober because the Debt keeps increasing, that will cause Hoyt Feb 2019 #69
In this area he covers the difficult part of being a progressive. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #11
How are you going to pay for it Bernie? CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #12
Guess who is a millionaire now. redstateblues Feb 2019 #60
This doesn't sound good.. Cha Feb 2019 #18
I'm not surprised at all, nt backabby-blue Feb 2019 #19
,,, lapucelle Feb 2019 #28
"... out of context.. " lol Thank You, Tommy! Cha Feb 2019 #29
Ugh. He said she took his "I was a little bit busy" quote out of context, betsuni Feb 2019 #31
Did you hear what BS said about Nina/jillstein/turner? Cha Feb 2019 #32
I don't really get it. betsuni Feb 2019 #45
BS-"I know a lot of people talk about this blue wave and all that stuff -- I don't believe it," Cha Feb 2019 #48
Oh right, I forgot he said that! betsuni Feb 2019 #49
Good ol INTERNET! Cha Feb 2019 #52
Not surprised at all. Standard fare. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #20
Funny, I heard Bernie say: PADemD Feb 2019 #22
+1,000 Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #37
+1,000,000 NJCher Feb 2019 #40
We can afford any fucking thing we want. shanny Feb 2019 #39
+10,000,000 Tiggeroshii Feb 2019 #44
And why don't we have a seriously robust independent auditing agency? JudyM Feb 2019 #57
it's naive NJCher Feb 2019 #51
+1,000,000 PADemD Feb 2019 #65
can we puhleeese stop with the rw talking points? shanny Feb 2019 #53
So the CBO is simply a "talking point?" ehrnst Feb 2019 #70
IF he were the candidate and did win..even if we have the house and the senate the kinds of Thekaspervote Feb 2019 #56
Ah, but you can bet that Bernie would use the bully pulpit. PADemD Feb 2019 #66
Indeed he would. RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #84
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #58
did the moron pay for the tax cuts for him & hi ilk? pansypoo53219 Feb 2019 #61
Nope. And neither did the previous moron bush. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #63
As far as healthcare goes, you raise taxes. It's not rocket science. Vinca Feb 2019 #67
I listened to much of his speech and asked the same question! How's he going to pay for it? Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #76
Two possibilities to pay for all that forklift Mar 2019 #77
He's good at slogans, but not so good at concrete policy. Other candidates can handle both emulatorloo Mar 2019 #79
tax law enid602 Mar 2019 #80
I guess the U.S. is just too poor of a country to provide health care to its citizens. Mr. Smith Mar 2019 #82
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