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Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 06:49 PM Mar 2020

Sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - The Washington Post [View all]

I have never taken sanders seriously as a candidate due to sanders complete and utter lack of legislative accomplishments. sanders has not been able to get his fellow Democratic members of Congress to back his agenda and that is not going to change. As I understand it, sanders is now relying on a magical voter revolution to convince republicans to be reasonable. sanders has no magical voter revolution or movement backing him up. sanders has a cap of around 30% of the Democratic voters and that does not constitute a movement or revolution




For months — for years, really — the media have reported that the Democratic Party has gone far left. They have treated social media as a barometer of the party’s political attitudes and characterized center-left candidates as out of touch with their own party. They have done so despite the triumph of moderate Democratic House candidates in 2018; despite the failure of left-wing Democrats to flip a single House seat; despite the polls showing a substantial percentage of Democrats consider themselves moderate or somewhat liberal; and despite the failure of super-progressive presidential candidates to attract the most critical element in the Democratic Party (African Americans).

With this faulty premise, the media’s coverage has been at times wildly off-kilter. It was easy for anyone caring to look closely to see that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) did not “win” a single debate, because his ranting and raving merely reinforced the fervor of his own cult while turning off the rest of the party. The media have been obsessed with the “likability” of female candidates, never considering that Sanders’s angry and rude demeanor would turn off women, who make up more than half of the Democratic electorate. A simple question — “Who is he gaining by all this yelling?” — should have been front and center in the media’s coverage. His “movement” was assumed but never examined carefully.....

Sanders’s ceiling turned out to be real, because there are generally less than a third of voters in the Democratic Party willing to embrace wide-eyed socialism, venom-filled rhetoric and utter disregard for the demands of governing (e.g. compromise). Michael Moore does not speak for the Democratic Party any more than Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) speaks for House Democrats. (I have long maintained that the person who has the best read on the party as a whole is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi; get to her left, and you are in no-man’s land.)

The Democratic Party does not live on social media nor does it favor bomb-throwers. If anything, it is desperate to play it safe and find an antidote to President Trump — not an imitation. Voters want the madness, the cruelty, the dysfunction and the stupidity to stop. They have found their safe, reliable and decent candidate in Biden. En masse — in every geographic region and Democratic group — they are telling us that they want the primary to end and the effort to rout Trump to begin. The media might have taken Sanders’s “revolution” seriously, but it turns out that Democratic voters as a whole did not.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Jennifer Rubin is a right-winger who accused Obama of siding with the "Muslim World" over the US. DanTex Mar 2020 #1
Bernie's grievance politics consolidated the left to a 30% losing minority Gothmog Mar 2020 #2
Sanders lost badly by votes in each state at140 Mar 2020 #5
That's only because of the apportionment of the Dem race delegates. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #6
Well...it is # of delegates is what counts, not how many votes, to win nomination. at140 Mar 2020 #12
Exactly...the Electoral College of the Democratic Primaries ! OnDoutside Mar 2020 #14
Sanders' campaign plan to win the nomination with only 30% of the vote Gothmog Mar 2020 #13
I'm sure we'll find out in time, exactly who thought up that hair-brained plan, but it was at best OnDoutside Mar 2020 #16
From day 1, Bernie built a campaign to appeal to 30% Gothmog Mar 2020 #19
But mistakenly assumed it was much, much bigger.. Nader made the same mistake. ehrnst Mar 2020 #61
The loonier fringe of self-proclaimed "progressives" Aquaria Mar 2020 #67
Lots of luck with that at140 Mar 2020 #18
I wonder if it makes sense to them now? Cha Mar 2020 #53
How do you demand concessions when you're getting the brake beat off of you? Gothmog Mar 2020 #110
They try but they ain't gonna Cha Mar 2020 #111
It made sense... Aquaria Mar 2020 #66
The what? Do you understand how delegates are assigned at all? LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #38
What Krugman said about Warren was 100% correct and also applies to Harris. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #8
This is an interesting comment on Senator Warren by Krugman. I regret that I will... NNadir Mar 2020 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Mar 2020 #51
That doesn't mean she's wrong about Bernie. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #9
" Jennifer Rubin is an American conservative columnist who writes the "Right Turn" blog for pampango Mar 2020 #20
Right, left, in between ..please point out where she is wrong Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #29
I don't go to liberal sites to play the 'show me where this conservative is wrong' game. pampango Mar 2020 #75
I hear tell Cenk Ugur is now a liberal... along with Joe Rogan. ehrnst Mar 2020 #83
I said this when Iowa voted, and NH voted. ahoysrcsm Mar 2020 #104
Jacobin hates the Democratic Party more than Rubin, and they get LOTS of shares ehrnst Mar 2020 #57
any response to her points? treestar Mar 2020 #74
I try not to respond when someone posts an article from a conservative and then expects me to agree pampango Mar 2020 #76
a point does not change no matter who makes it treestar Mar 2020 #78
The point of posting conservative's opinion to a liberal board in the hope that liberals would agree pampango Mar 2020 #87
That hole need not be fulfilled treestar Mar 2020 #96
So it's still just ad hominem, and not an actual refutation of what she said. ehrnst Mar 2020 #84
If you consider "ad hominem" to include refusing to acknowledge "Yeah, this conservative is pampango Mar 2020 #88
Here is the defintion of ad hominem ehrnst Mar 2020 #92
I am 'attacking' the idea of posting conservative's opinion pieces to a liberal site and expecting pampango Mar 2020 #94
I suppose you don't trust Warren as a liberal or a Democrat, either? ehrnst Mar 2020 #97
Before Jennifer Rubin became a NeverTrumper, I disagreed with Sloumeau Mar 2020 #26
LOL DanTex Mar 2020 #27
Again instead of LOL, point out where she is wrong Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #30
She's a woman, who is critiquing Bernie. ehrnst Mar 2020 #55
She's right about Bernie, that we know. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #47
LOL. That's rich coming from a regular poster of the Democrat-hating Jacobin articles. ehrnst Mar 2020 #54
She maybe be.. point to where she is wrong Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #28
Rubin's politics have swung 180 degrees since November 2016. George II Mar 2020 #39
LOL. No they haven't. She's still a right-winger. DanTex Mar 2020 #41
But you just can't articulate how this woman is actually wrong in this article. ehrnst Mar 2020 #58
Yes.. by all means keep the thread kicked.. Cha Mar 2020 #108
LOL. You certainly assumed that Cenk's GOP RW views have.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #81
i call BULL on that. she is on msnbc all the sound and she does not sound like a right winger trueblue2007 Mar 2020 #112
awwww.. a woman called your "revolution" small NCProgressive Mar 2020 #40
LOL NYMinute Mar 2020 #43
Bravo!!! ehrnst Mar 2020 #56
You post Jacobin articles, and they have trashed the Democratic party - CURRENTLY - ehrnst Mar 2020 #52
Cenk's GOP past misogyny isn't an issue for you now since Bernie endorsed him... ehrnst Mar 2020 #62
that does not make her wrong here treestar Mar 2020 #73
But an anti-semite is OK? ehrnst Mar 2020 #100
Women are rejecting Sanders Gothmog Mar 2020 #102
Kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2020 #3
Metamucil might help. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2020 #4
Yup,extra large glass full. Wellstone ruled Mar 2020 #7
MSM has really been taken in. They propped up the idea of a non-existent revolution and a emmaverybo Mar 2020 #10
i always wondered why he waited until 2016 to start this all important 'movement' samnsara Mar 2020 #11
sanders pushed his theory in 2018 but no one paid attention to it Gothmog Mar 2020 #17
Thank you Gothmog. The voters spoke in 18 and are speaking again. Big NO to our revolution Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #32
He began his career at the University of Chicago in 1962 with a segration protest LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #46
Yes, that hotbed of civil rights activism, rural Vermont. ehrnst Mar 2020 #63
He didn't get noticed until he did that 8 1/2 hour filibuster in 2010 & put out a book about it. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #71
very true. Maybe it was opportunistic in that Hillary didn't have treestar Mar 2020 #80
But revolutions are cool dalton99a Mar 2020 #15
The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign Gothmog Mar 2020 #103
Both candidates claim to be 6-feet tall. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #21
I was watching that during the last debate - Biden looked about 2 inches taller. George II Mar 2020 #44
Sanders has a stoop NYMinute Mar 2020 #45
Yes, & it makes him look his full age Hekate Mar 2020 #50
Sanders is not a Democrat MiniMe Mar 2020 #22
his movement is online hoax inflated by russian intelligence service AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #23
Just because Bernie is not going to the White House doesn't mean he's not needed in the Senate. marble falls Mar 2020 #24
Jennifer Rubin aikoaiko Mar 2020 #25
Like her or not... point to where are article is wrong...I will wait Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #33
I did - her premise. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #35
Her premise is supported by the data. ehrnst Mar 2020 #82
I don't think so. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #85
About that... ehrnst Mar 2020 #93
When I used the word more I meant "increase in number" aikoaiko Mar 2020 #95
Well, Cenk and Joe Rogan sure got some cheers here on DU for their recent words ehrnst Mar 2020 #64
Beautiful. n/t. NNadir Mar 2020 #31
She's spot on HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #34
Kick burrowowl Mar 2020 #37
The cat's out of the bag. betsuni Mar 2020 #42
lol.. oooops. Cha Mar 2020 #107
Jennifer Rubin is a terrible person to take advice from FrozenMoonage Mar 2020 #48
Sources more hateful than Rubin has been (especially lately) are praised here on DU. ehrnst Mar 2020 #60
i literally joined like an hour ago so idk what the precedent here is for bad sources FrozenMoonage Mar 2020 #65
The assessment of Sanders' demeanor has been made by others, including his workers, for years. ehrnst Mar 2020 #72
+1 dalton99a Mar 2020 #79
As you can see, the Bernie hate is strong on site. Rilgin Mar 2020 #98
Her loathsome positions on other issues have ZERO bearing Aquaria Mar 2020 #68
Thanks, Gothmog Hekate Mar 2020 #49
She is right about Sander's supporters Legends303 Mar 2020 #59
Yep! Cha Mar 2020 #109
K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #69
I can't see myself being able to tolerate being scolded nonstop for the next four years. calimary Mar 2020 #70
I tried to tell y'all that ages ago Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #77
His movement is swirling the drain... so to speak. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #86
I think it will live on as a purity testing service named The Bernie Center for Progressive Politics dalton99a Mar 2020 #89
Heaven help us. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #90
Sounds like a lot of conservative wishful thinking to me. BComplex Mar 2020 #91
LOL Then sanders needs to say in the primary and lose some more primaries by large margins Gothmog Mar 2020 #99
The Establishment Didn't Destroy Bernie Sanders-He destroyed himself. Gothmog Mar 2020 #101
Retweeted! TY Goth.. this is a killer read! Cha Mar 2020 #105
Sanders never could do anything BUT "destroy" the chimera Hortensis Mar 2020 #115
The Democratic Party does not live on social media nor does it favor bomb-throwers Cha Mar 2020 #106
K&R onetexan Mar 2020 #113
Hey Aloha, onetexan! Cha Mar 2020 #114
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