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Demovictory9

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Wed Mar 11, 2020, 03:26 AM Mar 2020

A Sanders Voter, Weary of Debt at 29: 'I Have Nothing to Lose' [View all]

MADISON, Wis. — Debt has dogged Brian Michelz his entire adult life.

It started with an ambulance ride when he was 18 and two hospital stays. Then came college loans. By the time Mr. Michelz made it out into the world, his credit score was so low he could not even get a credit card. He has paid for everything he has ever bought — televisions, furniture, cars — up front. After grocery shopping on Wednesday, his bank account had three dollars in it.

Mr. Michelz, 29, has never worn a political T-shirt or been to a campaign rally. But when he voted for the first time in his life, in the primary of 2016, it was for Bernie Sanders.

“I wouldn’t say I’m on the left, or a liberal progressive,” Mr. Michelz said in his apartment one morning last week, sitting next to his wife, Sarah Michelz, who had just come home from her work as a nurse. “I feel like Sanders understood — there’s too much medical debt and college debt. I was like, ‘OK, he’s speaking the truth.’”

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For voters like Mr. Michelz (pronounced Michaels), Mr. Sanders has inspired loyalty because he is the rare political leader who has both diagnosed the source of their problems and tried to offer solutions. Mr. Michelz is part of a generation scarred by the Great Recession. After borrowing more money for their education than their parents did, many are treading water in jobs that do not pay enough and delaying marriage and children.

Mr. Sanders’s message has resonated deeply with these voters. In the recent California primary, 47 percent of voters who said income inequality was their most important issue picked Mr. Sanders. Just 13 percent voted for former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Mr. Michelz’s wife has debt, too, as do most of his friends. One is so anxious about it that he takes medication. The only ones who do not have debt come from families that can afford to help them.

Ms. Michelz, 30, borrowed around $100,000 for nursing school, and pays $800 every month, a sum that is more than half their rent in the small, tidy apartment on the southwestern edge of Madison. They both want children, but Ms. Michelz thinks they should wait.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/bernie-sanders-voters.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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electing sanders would have done nothing for his debt AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #1
Bernie convinced them.... SergeStorms Mar 2020 #2
Getting these things enacted by Congress will be the problem, not paying for them. sop Mar 2020 #55
His debt was largely run up during the early 2010's rpannier Mar 2020 #3
$100K for nursing school... Really? eilen Mar 2020 #4
In my daughter's case hospital were definitely not paying the final two years exboyfil Mar 2020 #7
My student loans are a fraction of that morillon Mar 2020 #69
I went to a private (hospital school) 2 year RN program eilen Mar 2020 #72
Exactly. Has he heard of Congress? treestar Mar 2020 #9
Been there, done that elias7 Mar 2020 #5
Not entirely fair exboyfil Mar 2020 #8
too bad these very people didn't support Hillary in 2016, she would have had beachbumbob Mar 2020 #6
+1 MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #31
Some Folks Abuse Student Loans - Who Borrows $100,000 for a Nursing Degree? Indykatie Mar 2020 #10
College is very expensive now. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #11
I have not seen anyone addressing why the costs are so high MichMan Mar 2020 #17
It is a combination of factors exboyfil Mar 2020 #21
With technology the actual cost of delivering education should be lower, much lower Yavin4 Mar 2020 #56
I'll take a crack at it. llmart Mar 2020 #22
Point number two for me above exboyfil Mar 2020 #27
The nursing school at my employer... llmart Mar 2020 #35
Yes my daughter's school was also mostly women exboyfil Mar 2020 #38
Sounds like she's a very dedicated person to her profession. llmart Mar 2020 #61
My daughter really loves working with mental health patients exboyfil Mar 2020 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author exboyfil Mar 2020 #28
A young Lifeguard at the Y True Blue American Mar 2020 #52
Not everyone Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #53
You do not get Scholarships True Blue American Mar 2020 #59
Not everyone Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #62
I agree with that. True Blue American Mar 2020 #63
I'm not criticizing good students. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #65
And I agreed with you. True Blue American Mar 2020 #66
Ok, we agree then. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #67
See my post above $42K for a 15 month BSN degree exboyfil Mar 2020 #20
I took community college classes eilen Mar 2020 #73
My daughter's program was comparable in cost to an RN to BSN at Kaplan (Purdue Global) exboyfil Mar 2020 #77
I can't speak to the educational opportunities in Iowa eilen Mar 2020 #78
I met no difference in what BS degree exboyfil Mar 2020 #80
My Brother in law is a Dr mercuryblues Mar 2020 #34
well written article-those mired in debt should understand repubs are not their Savior Sunlei Mar 2020 #12
"Nothing to lose"? Boy, is he ignorant. Just what did he study? Hortensis Mar 2020 #13
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #15
Terrible insult; but worse, bizarrely wrong. Trumpsters WANT fascism. Hortensis Mar 2020 #16
I suggest you self-delete this personal insult, then reread the post. yardwork Mar 2020 #18
A lot of judgment going on in this thread. Sad to see on DU ms liberty Mar 2020 #14
Yes so sad mountain grammy Mar 2020 #23
Ridiculous. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #36
Yes I have mountain grammy Mar 2020 #40
I notice a very authoritarian bent. It is not coming only from the Sander camp delisen Mar 2020 #76
I first started posting in 2003... Fix The Stupid Mar 2020 #33
DU is not different Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #37
Who are those "paid propagandists?" MineralMan Mar 2020 #39
Is this the kind of "paid propagandists" you're talking about? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #48
Mrs. Michelz can have her debt forgiven as it is now NYMinute Mar 2020 #19
There are also other programs for loan forgiveness for nurses. llmart Mar 2020 #24
" he is the rare political leader who has both diagnosed the source.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #25
We sure have a lot of "experts" here mountain grammy Mar 2020 #26
Stunning lack of empathy on display Bettie Mar 2020 #29
Yes, stunning. mountain grammy Mar 2020 #30
The party's platform Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #42
Did you read the replies to this post? Bettie Mar 2020 #44
Some random people Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #46
I try not to Judge True Blue American Mar 2020 #58
We should all try not to judge mountain grammy Mar 2020 #68
I can assure True Blue American Mar 2020 #70
Some are better at perseverance mountain grammy Mar 2020 #71
the guy in the story didn't have solid parenting, grew up in chaos, also ambulance bill Demovictory9 Mar 2020 #81
You're not in a concentration camp CanonRay Mar 2020 #32
Weren't we all financially strapped at 29? frazzled Mar 2020 #41
Sure people Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #45
You may not have noticed that GOPers have caused income to lag. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #49
I remember being in my mid 20s and eilen Mar 2020 #75
Affordable college, effective health care, a decent level of income equality - Europeans have them. pampango Mar 2020 #43
We must continue Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #47
But not everyone goes to uni in Europe. EllieBC Mar 2020 #50
Granted they have a different approach to college education. How about income equality, health care, pampango Mar 2020 #51
If I'm not mistaken, Wisconsin has some decent college grants, free tuition programs, etc. Hoyt Mar 2020 #54
A lot of the younger generation seem to be unaware Rorey Mar 2020 #57
Bernie is speaking now. True Blue American Mar 2020 #60
"I wouldn't say I'm left or liberal...." Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #74
"Weary of Debt at 29"? I had debt from the time I entered college until about five years ago.... George II Mar 2020 #79
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