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In reply to the discussion: He is not a liberal, he's the end of liberalism - interesting perspective from... David Brooks [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)133. Brooks has an opinion. It's a shit opinion, based on ignoring facts.
What Brooks has fed you are ... fallacies. No, he does not have an argument.
If you need these facts spelled out to you (and god knows why any DUer would), try this:
What David Brooks gets wrong about Bernie Sanders
The New York Times columnist is an exemplar of the baseless centrist freakout about Sanderss supposed authoritarianism.
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Consider his work on veterans health care reform with John McCain, a detailed piece of legislation that by its nature required compromise. Such work is, as my colleague Matt Yglesias explains, more the rule than the exception. Sanders has always talked about his blue-sky political ideals as something he believed in passionately, but he separated that idealism from his practical legislative work, which was grounded in vote counts, Yglesias writes.
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Its totally fair for Brooks, a conservative, to object to Sanderss spending programs on the grounds that theyre too expensive. But supporting big federal spending programs does not an authoritarian make. If Medicare-for-all were some kind of neo-Stalinist ploy, then Canada and much of Western Europe would be totalitarian nightmares.
Brooks darkly hints that the Europe comparison is off: Sanders also claims hes just trying to import the Scandinavian model, which is believable if you know nothing about Scandinavia or what Sanders is proposing. But Brooks does not point to any concrete difference between the Sanders platform and those countries policies that makes him more authoritarian, no evidence that hed turn the US economy into his personal fiefdom. Plus, theres the little problem of Congress which would likely block Medicare-for-all, let alone some kind of proposed seizure of the means of production.
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The filibuster is the best example. While other Democrats have proposed eliminating it entirely including Brookss supposedly more compromise-minded liberal, Warren Sanders has suggested hed prefer keeping it. Im not crazy about getting rid of the filibuster, as he put it in one interview. Donald Trump supports the ending of the filibuster. So you should be a little bit nervous if Donald Trump supports it, he said in another. He does have a somewhat dubious plan for getting around the filibuster to pass his signature legislation but, again, the prospects of him being able to go through with it are vanishingly slim.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/28/21157634/bernie-sanders-2020-david-brooks-liberalism
The New York Times columnist is an exemplar of the baseless centrist freakout about Sanderss supposed authoritarianism.
...
Consider his work on veterans health care reform with John McCain, a detailed piece of legislation that by its nature required compromise. Such work is, as my colleague Matt Yglesias explains, more the rule than the exception. Sanders has always talked about his blue-sky political ideals as something he believed in passionately, but he separated that idealism from his practical legislative work, which was grounded in vote counts, Yglesias writes.
...
Its totally fair for Brooks, a conservative, to object to Sanderss spending programs on the grounds that theyre too expensive. But supporting big federal spending programs does not an authoritarian make. If Medicare-for-all were some kind of neo-Stalinist ploy, then Canada and much of Western Europe would be totalitarian nightmares.
Brooks darkly hints that the Europe comparison is off: Sanders also claims hes just trying to import the Scandinavian model, which is believable if you know nothing about Scandinavia or what Sanders is proposing. But Brooks does not point to any concrete difference between the Sanders platform and those countries policies that makes him more authoritarian, no evidence that hed turn the US economy into his personal fiefdom. Plus, theres the little problem of Congress which would likely block Medicare-for-all, let alone some kind of proposed seizure of the means of production.
...
The filibuster is the best example. While other Democrats have proposed eliminating it entirely including Brookss supposedly more compromise-minded liberal, Warren Sanders has suggested hed prefer keeping it. Im not crazy about getting rid of the filibuster, as he put it in one interview. Donald Trump supports the ending of the filibuster. So you should be a little bit nervous if Donald Trump supports it, he said in another. He does have a somewhat dubious plan for getting around the filibuster to pass his signature legislation but, again, the prospects of him being able to go through with it are vanishingly slim.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/28/21157634/bernie-sanders-2020-david-brooks-liberalism
And he's worked with Democrats from when he joined Congress. He was a founder member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and was its first chair. With members such as Nancy Pelosi.
I hope you will support Sanders fully if he wins the nomination. You appear to hate him.
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He is not a liberal, he's the end of liberalism - interesting perspective from... David Brooks [View all]
question everything
Feb 2020
OP
He did co-write a wildly popular Veterans bill, but any democrat could have done that
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#100
Coming from someone who posts screeds from the Intercept, who doesn't like the Democratic Party....
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#22
I don't see this as a defense of Biden as much as a slam of the GOP and a defense of Ukraine.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#59
Yes, he likes the false equivalence game. It's absurd to compare Bernie to Trump, but right-wingers
DanTex
Feb 2020
#51
Why should we listen to the Intercept? Brooks is far less hateful to the Democratic Party
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#95
It's his argument that Sanders is the equivalent of Trump that shows him to be a moron
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#115
He has been a member of Congress for many years, elected to both Houses
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#122
He also is a Democrat only when he wants to use the infrastructure and money that he attacks
Cary
Feb 2020
#126
Brooks has an opinion. It's a shit opinion, based on ignoring facts.
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#133
The subject is not me. I am fucking amazed you think you can get away with pretending it is.
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#136
Yes, those who eagerly swallow whatever Democratic-Party-hating Intercept and Jacobin spew
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#142
Exactly. The lack of consistency is really iritating, but I guess a "revolution" calls for whatever
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#143
You're really going to try to hold up the pharmaceutical industry as a paragon of virtue?
rwsanders
Feb 2020
#44
Where, do you think, did the stents that were put in Sansers' arteries come from?
question everything
Feb 2020
#98
He post his op-eds on Thursday evening, by Friday 6 AM, David Brooks said Stupid Stuff is trending
irisblue
Mar 2020
#149
brooks is a prince from bothsiderville. in another recent column seems like he spent the whole thing
certainot
Feb 2020
#36
Imagine posting an op-ed by David Brooks on DU to bash one of our own candidates.
Ace Rothstein
Feb 2020
#13
It's like we all forgot Brooks has spent the better part of his career...
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2020
#145
Yep. All I can conclude is that pigs must be flying because I agree with him. (nt)
IndyOp
Feb 2020
#33
i can only read the snip but here goes. the bolded sentence is evidence free, to put it nicely.
Kurt V.
Feb 2020
#97
David Brooks???? Now David Brooks is right? Why are conservatives afraid of Sanders?
Perseus
Feb 2020
#47
It's not the "end" end, it's the expansion of liberal space to include progressive People-controlled
ancianita
Feb 2020
#74
And of course, If the post had been titled "He's not a Liberal, He's the salvation of Liberalism"
aka-chmeee
Feb 2020
#75
And Trump: Another guy who can give a 2-hour rant to cheering crowds. But seriously, populism is
Hekate
Mar 2020
#154
I think Brooks makes a few interesting points here, but nothing he says is really relevant
Nitram
Feb 2020
#86
David Brooks is intelligent, broadly educated, and a conservative it would be a pleasure to talk to.
Hekate
Feb 2020
#94
Ah, I see the point of departure. I've heard & disagreed w him innumerable times on PBS...
Hekate
Mar 2020
#153
Yeah David Brooks would know liberal. He knew all thing when Bill Clinton was elected
Autumn
Feb 2020
#99
Everything is relative ! To Europeans looking at US political parties, both used to be viewed as
OnDoutside
Mar 2020
#155