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In reply to the discussion: He is not a liberal, he's the end of liberalism - interesting perspective from... David Brooks [View all]Celerity
(43,333 posts)57. they did do the best debunking of the Biden Ukraine tosh
Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden Scandal in Ukraine Is Absolute Nonsense
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/
VIRAL RUMORS THAT Joe Biden abused his power as vice president to protect his sons business interests in Ukraine in 2016, which spread last week from the pro-Trump media ecosystem to the New York Times, are absolute nonsense, according to Ukraines leading anti-corruption activist. That evaluation is backed by foreign correspondents in Kiev and a former official with knowledge of Bidens outreach to Ukraine after President Viktor Yanukovych was deposed in a popular uprising in 2014.
In an interview with The Intercept, Daria Kaleniuk, an American-educated lawyer who founded Ukraines Anti-Corruption Action Center, expressed frustration that two recent front-page stories in the New York Times, on how the conspiracy theory is being used to attack Biden, failed to properly debunk the false accusation. According to Kaleniuk, and a former anti-corruption prosecutor, there is simply no truth to the rumor now spreading like wildfire across the internet.
The accusation is that Biden blackmailed Ukraines new leaders into firing the countrys chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation he was leading into a Ukrainian gas company that the vice presidents son, Hunter, was paid to advise. The truth, Kaleniuk said, is that Shokin was forced from office at Bidens urging because he had failed to conduct thorough investigations of corruption, and had stifled efforts to investigate embezzlement and misconduct by public officials following the 2014 uprising.
Properly debunking this particular conspiracy theory is easier said than done, though, since it is set in Ukraine, a country with byzantine political intrigue at the best of times, and these are not the best of times. The rivalries between political factions in Kyiv are so intense that even the countrys new anti-corruption agencies are at each others throats.
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https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/
VIRAL RUMORS THAT Joe Biden abused his power as vice president to protect his sons business interests in Ukraine in 2016, which spread last week from the pro-Trump media ecosystem to the New York Times, are absolute nonsense, according to Ukraines leading anti-corruption activist. That evaluation is backed by foreign correspondents in Kiev and a former official with knowledge of Bidens outreach to Ukraine after President Viktor Yanukovych was deposed in a popular uprising in 2014.
In an interview with The Intercept, Daria Kaleniuk, an American-educated lawyer who founded Ukraines Anti-Corruption Action Center, expressed frustration that two recent front-page stories in the New York Times, on how the conspiracy theory is being used to attack Biden, failed to properly debunk the false accusation. According to Kaleniuk, and a former anti-corruption prosecutor, there is simply no truth to the rumor now spreading like wildfire across the internet.
The accusation is that Biden blackmailed Ukraines new leaders into firing the countrys chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation he was leading into a Ukrainian gas company that the vice presidents son, Hunter, was paid to advise. The truth, Kaleniuk said, is that Shokin was forced from office at Bidens urging because he had failed to conduct thorough investigations of corruption, and had stifled efforts to investigate embezzlement and misconduct by public officials following the 2014 uprising.
Properly debunking this particular conspiracy theory is easier said than done, though, since it is set in Ukraine, a country with byzantine political intrigue at the best of times, and these are not the best of times. The rivalries between political factions in Kyiv are so intense that even the countrys new anti-corruption agencies are at each others throats.
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He is not a liberal, he's the end of liberalism - interesting perspective from... David Brooks [View all]
question everything
Feb 2020
OP
He did co-write a wildly popular Veterans bill, but any democrat could have done that
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#100
Coming from someone who posts screeds from the Intercept, who doesn't like the Democratic Party....
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#22
I don't see this as a defense of Biden as much as a slam of the GOP and a defense of Ukraine.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#59
Yes, he likes the false equivalence game. It's absurd to compare Bernie to Trump, but right-wingers
DanTex
Feb 2020
#51
Why should we listen to the Intercept? Brooks is far less hateful to the Democratic Party
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#95
It's his argument that Sanders is the equivalent of Trump that shows him to be a moron
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#115
He has been a member of Congress for many years, elected to both Houses
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#122
He also is a Democrat only when he wants to use the infrastructure and money that he attacks
Cary
Feb 2020
#126
Brooks has an opinion. It's a shit opinion, based on ignoring facts.
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#133
The subject is not me. I am fucking amazed you think you can get away with pretending it is.
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2020
#136
Yes, those who eagerly swallow whatever Democratic-Party-hating Intercept and Jacobin spew
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#142
Exactly. The lack of consistency is really iritating, but I guess a "revolution" calls for whatever
Blue_true
Feb 2020
#143
You're really going to try to hold up the pharmaceutical industry as a paragon of virtue?
rwsanders
Feb 2020
#44
Where, do you think, did the stents that were put in Sansers' arteries come from?
question everything
Feb 2020
#98
He post his op-eds on Thursday evening, by Friday 6 AM, David Brooks said Stupid Stuff is trending
irisblue
Mar 2020
#149
brooks is a prince from bothsiderville. in another recent column seems like he spent the whole thing
certainot
Feb 2020
#36
Imagine posting an op-ed by David Brooks on DU to bash one of our own candidates.
Ace Rothstein
Feb 2020
#13
It's like we all forgot Brooks has spent the better part of his career...
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2020
#145
Yep. All I can conclude is that pigs must be flying because I agree with him. (nt)
IndyOp
Feb 2020
#33
i can only read the snip but here goes. the bolded sentence is evidence free, to put it nicely.
Kurt V.
Feb 2020
#97
David Brooks???? Now David Brooks is right? Why are conservatives afraid of Sanders?
Perseus
Feb 2020
#47
It's not the "end" end, it's the expansion of liberal space to include progressive People-controlled
ancianita
Feb 2020
#74
And of course, If the post had been titled "He's not a Liberal, He's the salvation of Liberalism"
aka-chmeee
Feb 2020
#75
And Trump: Another guy who can give a 2-hour rant to cheering crowds. But seriously, populism is
Hekate
Mar 2020
#154
I think Brooks makes a few interesting points here, but nothing he says is really relevant
Nitram
Feb 2020
#86
David Brooks is intelligent, broadly educated, and a conservative it would be a pleasure to talk to.
Hekate
Feb 2020
#94
Ah, I see the point of departure. I've heard & disagreed w him innumerable times on PBS...
Hekate
Mar 2020
#153
Yeah David Brooks would know liberal. He knew all thing when Bill Clinton was elected
Autumn
Feb 2020
#99
Everything is relative ! To Europeans looking at US political parties, both used to be viewed as
OnDoutside
Mar 2020
#155