Democratic Primaries

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts) Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:38 AM Feb 2020

This shouldn't have to be said: A contested convention will doom us. [View all]

If someone does not clear the delegate hurdle, we will not win the Presidency in November.

The surest way to suppress turnout is to A. not have a clear winner before the convention and/or B. not pick the most voted for candidate.

I'm not arguing that we change any rules. I'm not saying Sanders should get the nomination if he comes up short. I just think we need to be honest with ourselves. Someone needs to definitively win the primary contest.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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This shouldn't have to be said: A contested convention will doom us. [View all] Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 OP

It can be argued we're doomed either way Renew Deal Feb 2020 #1

Ah, Pence... jberryhill Feb 2020 #16

only if one candidate tries to sabotage the entire election. ahemmmmmmmmmm nt msongs Feb 2020 #2

Speak your mind. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #3

Exactly. I just had a conversation with a supporter of that candidate. I pointed out that Squinch Feb 2020 #51

I'm not sure I agree democrattotheend Feb 2020 #4

I have been saying this. Steelrolled Feb 2020 #5

There is exactly a 0% chance it would go that way. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #6

No that wouldn't happen rockfordfile Feb 2020 #13

Wise analysis. delisen Feb 2020 #24

One candidate and that candidate's followers are unlikely to support Blue_true Feb 2020 #56

And I have a bridge to sell you. Kilgore Feb 2020 #79

The M4A bridge ? OnDoutside Feb 2020 #81

Was thinking Brooklyn Kilgore Feb 2020 #91

No, we need to learn how to work as a team relayerbob Feb 2020 #7

I agree, that's how it should be. Unfortunately, that's not how it is. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #8

Actually, in history, a contested convention saved the United States. NNadir Feb 2020 #9

None of the candidates are Lincoln. And this isn't the 1800s. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #11

Um, in 1860, Lincoln wasn't "a Lincoln." We do have candidates who think this is the 1960's. NNadir Feb 2020 #15

"This list excludes the guy who hasn't changed his mind..." - This is why it would fail. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #22

Hear hear Sugarcoated Feb 2020 #33

It'll be ok. David__77 Feb 2020 #10

It will alienate massive numbers of voters CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #12

You mean the massive numbers that turn out for primaries? jberryhill Feb 2020 #14

They give a shit this time CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #19

Surely, the "rightful winner" is the one that the rules of the Democratic Party... First Speaker Feb 2020 #23

That "rule" is outrageous CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #25

Bernie Sanders fought to get that rule after his opponent had Blue_true Feb 2020 #59

NOT TRUE CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #72

The "rightful winner" is whomever emerges from the convention with the nomination jberryhill Feb 2020 #28

No reasonable person would see it that way CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #31

That attitude is the definition of party loyalty jberryhill Feb 2020 #32

Scary authoritarian BS CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #36

I'm not interesting in "winning people over" to the Democratic Party jberryhill Feb 2020 #37

+1000 Mike 03 Feb 2020 #50

Are you really that obtuse as to think that members of Democratic Underground will be the only ones Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #90

Maybe the cart and horse aren't in the right place to start with. LenaW Feb 2020 #47

The rules that will be used to pick the nominee are the rules that Sanders forced in 2016. Blue_true Feb 2020 #63

The rules this year are rules that Sanders wanted in place. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT?!!!!! n Blue_true Feb 2020 #60

NOT TRUE CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #68

Bernie asked the superdelegates to overturn what primary voters had decided. Blue_true Feb 2020 #73

Bernie has been clear and unambiguous CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #75

Ok, if Biden or Bloomberg has the most votes, that person is the winner. Blue_true Feb 2020 #76

From my understanding superdelegates are not involved in first round Kathy M Feb 2020 #82

That's a pile of shit Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #77

Who is the rightful winner? squirecam Feb 2020 #45

The rightful winner is the determined by the people CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #48

So, you set the rules rather than the party that everyone here has chose to join? Squinch Feb 2020 #53

Knew the rules?! CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #58

Yes, Bernie wanted no superdelegates. But by that time Bernie had already switched Squinch Feb 2020 #61

Why did I join it?! CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #66

Sanders had the selection rule changed to what it is now. Blue_true Feb 2020 #64

That is absolutely not true CrawlingChaos Feb 2020 #67

Bernie tried to get the superdelegates to overturn the voters decision. Blue_true Feb 2020 #74

Sure, just keep pissing on the most active and loyal members of the party Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #80

Although I keep hoping "the young people" will be energized to vote, but every time, I'm napi21 Feb 2020 #34

Young people seldom come out to vote. The one time they did come out in large numbers, 2018, Squinch Feb 2020 #54

It sounds like you are saying we need to change the rules as you say you are not saying LizBeth Feb 2020 #17

Welcome to DU. What I said is exactly what I mean. Don't change the rules. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #18

Brokered Convention Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #20

Why there won't be a contested Convention... Bernie is goin to be the Democratic nominee, period! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #21

Not if he only gets 30% of the delegates. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #27

On this, we agree. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author denem Feb 2020 #26

Nope, a BS nomination would doom us.. Callado119 Feb 2020 #29

What happened in 2016, is that the rust belt states voted for Bernie in the primary. Meadowoak Feb 2020 #35

Wait, don't lump Minnesota in with the 2016 Trump states. Mister Ed Feb 2020 #39

I stand corrected, thank you. Meadowoak Feb 2020 #44

I agree with the points Hav Feb 2020 #38

A Sanders nomination will doom us in the General. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #40

I don't how supporters of democracy think giving super delegates the right to choose Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #41

Until 1960, nominees were picked by party powerbrokers at the convention. Blue_true Feb 2020 #65

I agree. Let's change how the primaries work but let the voters choose. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #71

If a candidate has a majority of delegates,that candidate wiii MineralMan Feb 2020 #42

Correct squirecam Feb 2020 #46

I agree with you. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #43

I just don't see Sanders and his supporters accepting anyone but him. Blue_true Feb 2020 #69

Opposing candidates and superdelegates are still rational actors. Aaron Pereira Feb 2020 #49

Then Bernie should drop out now. OhZone Feb 2020 #52

Buahaha. The front runner...should drop out. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #62

ha OhZone Feb 2020 #83

It's sad that you can't move on from 2016. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #84

I never change - OhZone Feb 2020 #85

Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes true, right? Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #86

NAW OhZone Feb 2020 #87

" Bernie Sanders Signs Democratic Party Loyalty Pledge For 2020 Run" Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #88

Good to see - OhZone Feb 2020 #89

That is a wrong statement. Blue_true Feb 2020 #55

"Bite off your nose to spite your face" malcontents will be replaced oasis Feb 2020 #57

It is inevitable and has been since the day the new rules were written. boston bean Feb 2020 #70

It is what it is going to be. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #78