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highplainsdem

(49,029 posts)
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 03:01 AM Feb 2020

Quite a performace from Sanders tonight, flourishing a "plan" to pay for all his expensive [View all]

proposals, using a town hall for his reveal, 24 hours before a debate.

I'm sure the flaws in his plan will start to be picked apart by tomorrow.

I'm also sure he'll claim that no complaints about his revenue plan can be valid, since people couldn't have had enough time to study it. And of course there won't be time for the media to publish complete analyses by experts.

I'd have to give Bernie an A for timing.

And maybe a D or F for credibiliy.

It takes just a brief glance at the plan to see that it's full of imaginary numbers about what revenue will be brought in:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/

Raising $3.085 trillion by making the fossil fuel industry pay for their pollution, through litigation, fees, and taxes, and eliminating federal fossil fuel subsidies.

Generating $6.4 trillion in revenue from the wholesale of energy produced by the regional Power Marketing Administrations. This revenue will be collected from 2023-2035, and after 2035 electricity will be virtually free, aside from operations and maintenance costs.

-snip-

Collecting $2.3 trillion in new income tax revenue from the 20 million new jobs created by the plan.

Saving $1.31 trillion by reduced the need for federal and state safety net spending due to the creation of millions of good-paying, unionized jobs.



If you're wondering what "Power Marketing Administrations" will be generating trillions in revenue, and then FREE electricity, in just a few years...

and if you're wondering what 20 million high-paying new jobs will save trillions in safety net costs...

then you're probably too anchored in reality.

And maybe too aware of past promises about future revenue, such as the massive increases in revenue we were told we'd get with growth from tax cuts. Those "plans" tended to be bolstered with lots of numbers, too, to make them seem more plausible.

So probably, when you see someone "explain" that future litigation -- the result of which can't possibly be known -- will, along with fees and cutting subsidies, bring in $3.085 trillion (such an exact figure), you're probably, quite understandably, skeptical.

But there are people who'll be wowed by the "plan." Because, after all, if looks so very precise. at first glance. And if you don't think about it at all.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Laughable... Callado119 Feb 2020 #1
I thought so... highplainsdem Feb 2020 #9
Looks great dalton99a Feb 2020 #2
LOL! "Revolutionary accounting" -- yes, that might explain it. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #5
You mean as in Soviet revolutionary accounting? blue-wave Feb 2020 #6
He said nice things about both. Which we can look forward to being reminded of 24/7 if he's highplainsdem Feb 2020 #11
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #32
Thank you for your analysis Cha Feb 2020 #3
You're welcome, Cha! highplainsdem Feb 2020 #8
This page has to be a joke AngelicaHora Feb 2020 #4
I wish it were. Re your question -- I don't know. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #7
He's somethin' else! BootinUp Feb 2020 #10
Uh huh. madamesilverspurs Feb 2020 #12
Love that! highplainsdem Feb 2020 #13
Spectacular! Cha Feb 2020 #19
... betsuni Feb 2020 #23
Perfect! Squinch Feb 2020 #39
Picture worth a 1000 words zeusdogmom Feb 2020 #58
What's Biden got? McTwisty Feb 2020 #14
Insurance HAD to pay for preemptive. Insurance HAD to pay preexisting. Those are too very large and LizBeth Feb 2020 #25
Sure, that is a positive. If one can afford insurance that actually KPN Feb 2020 #47
you are spot on about this ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #50
A whole lot more, McTwisty. Cha Feb 2020 #65
I know that here in California lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #15
The money isn't even CA's real problem there Recursion Feb 2020 #17
fortunately, two the three problems I outlined lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #20
Does the energy co. not keep the right of ways clear of brush and debris? ms liberty Feb 2020 #40
Uh.... who's going to work those 20 million new jobs? Recursion Feb 2020 #16
That make enough to afford 115k each in taxes ? Nt sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #38
The Mother Jones reporter reviewing New Green Deal claims said the same. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #44
I keep enjoying my continued windfall from the Iraq War, which is still paying for itself. NBachers Feb 2020 #18
Now that's funny..... diverdownjt Feb 2020 #28
Yes. What a deal that was. ms liberty Feb 2020 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #21
just reality based people who can see thru a publicity stunt that has serious issues lol nt msongs Feb 2020 #22
+1000 SkyDaddy7 Feb 2020 #27
I would argue the opposite. Reality based involves KPN Feb 2020 #49
What existential problem inspired free electricity in 15 years? Scurrilous Feb 2020 #57
Okay, so you don't think unbridled capitalism enabled by a political system wherein billionaires KPN Feb 2020 #63
Huh? ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #66
K&R betsuni Feb 2020 #24
.... 5X Feb 2020 #26
So, we went from no numbers to fantasy numbers? Sloumeau Feb 2020 #29
60 Minutes interview: "For the second time in the last month, Senator Sanders has admitted Cha Feb 2020 #30
This is right out of the republican book of fantasy land economics. He thinks we're stupid uponit7771 Feb 2020 #31
Marxist economics. Marx brothers, that is. ucrdem Feb 2020 #33
+1, I'm starting to agree with Joe, why trust Sanders? he does and says empirically stupid shit uponit7771 Feb 2020 #34
BS is trumplike in his 'plans' empedocles Feb 2020 #45
That is exactly what I thought Hav Feb 2020 #35
+1, that's a whole Iraq sized country worth of workers where every women, man & child is unemployed. uponit7771 Feb 2020 #36
Higher gas pricestax on fossil fuel. no votes. dem4decades Feb 2020 #37
This plan will never get out of a House committee. madaboutharry Feb 2020 #41
Does that involved nationalizing the oil industry? NurseJackie Feb 2020 #43
Where are the BS supporters in this thread? empedocles Feb 2020 #46
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #51
Brilliant! democratisphere Feb 2020 #48
Sanders' plan to pay for his proposals does not add up Gothmog Feb 2020 #52
Duh. It is revolutionary math dalton99a Feb 2020 #53
Maybe he can make Mexico pay for it. Walleye Feb 2020 #54
He will. Trust me dalton99a Feb 2020 #55
THANK YOU !!! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #61
This is a pile of steaming dung. A fucking insult. He's thinks were stupid. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #56
NYT-Bernie Sanders Outlines Funding for His Plans, but It May Not All Add Up Gothmog Feb 2020 #59
"a rallying cry for supporters, but with no realistic path to happening" -- pretty much describes highplainsdem Feb 2020 #62
I dunno ... calimary Feb 2020 #60
I'm amazed jmowreader Feb 2020 #64
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