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Ghost Dog

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34. The problem is, when Americans hear "Socialism" they think "Soviets",
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 11:14 AM
Feb 2020

a generally unhappy and ultimately failed experiment in history. Socialism properly involves employing the managerial powers of the state to design and execute policies leading to the maximum possible health and happiness of the greatest possible number of people in a society (not favoring the few; but remember, corruption can be anywhere and everywhere, and has to be policed). Democratic Socialism involves the people, to a degree only even with very direct democracy, in the process.

Serious criticism of socialism usually focuses on the idea that such managerial ability tends to be overrated and prone to screw up. But is this still true today, with all the modern analysis and planning tools now at our disposal? Don't societies need to do some proper planning and some effective execution if the many systemic challenges such as the need for nfrastructure modernization, education and health system improvements, less militarism, halting our poisoning of ourselves and the environment and coping with the consequences of the climate change mess are to be competently confronted?

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Socialism is a scare-word [View all] tecelote Feb 2020 OP
Russia is not. Nor are defeat or poverty. Hortensis Feb 2020 #1
Marketing fail Shermann Feb 2020 #2
Yeah, I'm sure that's all it is. We just need a new name for it. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #6
Laugh at your own peril Shermann Feb 2020 #10
Well, y'all better get crackin' to come up with some catchy new word for Socialism. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #11
Maybe... Democratic Socialist? SilasSouleII Feb 2020 #21
Bernie has used that already Shermann Feb 2020 #37
The problem is, when Americans hear "Socialism" they think "Soviets", Ghost Dog Feb 2020 #34
What Bernie calls Democratic Socialism FDR called The New Deal. rickyhall Feb 2020 #3
That's not what Socialism is. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #7
I know what Socialism is. Not the same as Democratic Socialism. rickyhall Feb 2020 #35
Wrong. Bernie is not an FDR Dem, he's a Eugene Debs Socialist. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #8
Kind of what I thought 2016 would be safeinOhio Feb 2020 #18
Yes, it WILL be a bloodbath. The Repug machine will have every American frightened of the Ferrets are Cool Feb 2020 #25
Capitalists like the socialism they get, esp. bailouts when their NCjack Feb 2020 #4
Scare word or not, it is a political liability. When you say no one is supporting "true socialism", still_one Feb 2020 #5
I love many of Bernie's progressive policies. Jarqui Feb 2020 #12
I am afraid we are between a rock and a hard place Jarqui. Needless to say, without hesitation I still_one Feb 2020 #14
Regardless of who the Democratic nominee is, like you, that's my candidate Jarqui Feb 2020 #32
Warren campaign not being helped by Putin nt delisen Feb 2020 #29
It's a scare word because it works. aka-chmeee Feb 2020 #9
Oh, please.... paleotn Feb 2020 #26
You should probably be careful invoking Truman in this context. wyldwolf Feb 2020 #13
They've used this label on FDR, Truman, JFK, LBJ, and even Obama IronLionZion Feb 2020 #15
A very effective one to use on your opposition. Always works. Squinch Feb 2020 #16
But Fascism... Mustellus Feb 2020 #17
exactly and that leads to whether we will continue or not Locrian Feb 2020 #23
Another Way to Look at It McKim Feb 2020 #19
Socialism is TAX CUTS for The 1% BILLIONARIES and they are bonniebgood Feb 2020 #20
Republicans took the power of that word away Johnny2X2X Feb 2020 #22
Do you think you'd get a retraction? Shermann Feb 2020 #36
Fascism is rising around the world, open your eyes people appalachiablue Feb 2020 #24
The grandson of GHW Bush has ad out-Stick it to Socialists Gothmog Feb 2020 #27
Because the average American is dumb as a brick... paleotn Feb 2020 #28
I'll tell you what is scarier. brokephibroke Feb 2020 #30
You can expect... Newest Reality Feb 2020 #31
Forget socialism, the GOP will be talking communism. denem Feb 2020 #33
Yes. They already are. highplainsdem Feb 2020 #38
Trump has said it twice, at least. denem Feb 2020 #39
Truth Newland56 Feb 2020 #40
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