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130. The "Establishment" Got Us our BLUE WAVE VICTORY in 2018

Fri Jan 31, 2020, 06:08 PM

Jan 2020

the "Establishment" ARE WINNERS! And, all the calling them "the Establishment in the World.. Is NOT going to Change that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Democrats court doom by backing Bernie Sanders. His ideas are toxic outside blue America. [View all] Gothmog Jan 2020 OP

Gothmog, thanks for posting this! :) Sloumeau Jan 2020 #1

Self described Cha Jan 2020 #2

Again, this is written by people who are literally part of Third Way. DanTex Jan 2020 #3

the one that keeps trying to get Dems to cut Social Security. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #4

Third Way is an advocacy group. They are in favor of SS cuts and other "centrist" DanTex Jan 2020 #7

Okay Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #9

I don't understand your question. What "names" other than Third Way do you mean? DanTex Jan 2020 #10

Third Way was aphrase Bill Clinton used back in the 90s Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #95

It's also an organization. And the people who wrote this article work for Third Way. DanTex Jan 2020 #96

Admittedly I don't know anyone on that site Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #97

Well, they wrote this article, so they have enough pull to get journals to give them space. DanTex Jan 2020 #98

The "Think Tank" ..... H2O Man Feb 2020 #148

And: H2O Man Feb 2020 #149

I enjoyed this link a lot flotsam Feb 2020 #155

De-bunked misinformation. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #5

Third Way Introduces New Social Security Reform Plan DanTex Jan 2020 #8

an article from 2011? mopinko Jan 2020 #11

Yeah, last time they had power. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #13

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #30

PONY! PONY! PONY!!!! ahoysrcsm Jan 2020 #68

Are you really trying to deny that Third Way wants to cut Social Security? DanTex Jan 2020 #15

i'm tryin to say the people who wrote that article are probably dead by now. mopinko Jan 2020 #24

Oh no. They are alive and well, and so is their organization. DanTex Jan 2020 #27

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #31

And by the way, if you support Warren, these aren't your friends either. DanTex Jan 2020 #32

Pretty fun to pretend we know whose friends are whose. As long as we admit it's pretense. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #94

If Warren was nipping at Biden's heels in the polls TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #102

2011 was 9 years ago. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #154

LOL. The "cuts" are on billionaires and multi-millionares via means testing. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #18

Means testing, raising the retirement age, reducing cost of living increases... DanTex Jan 2020 #21

Joe loses on this issue alone!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #33

I don't know, apparently there are some voters out there (and here) that want to cut SS. DanTex Jan 2020 #36

Joe should just admit to his past positions on SS and Medicare, but, understandably, he can't. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #41

Baloney. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #44

He should, like Bloomberg does. Or maybe Bloomberg will try to flip-flop. DanTex Jan 2020 #46

WITHOUT QUESTION!! HONESTY IS ALWAYS THE BEST POLICY... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #48

PoNy!!! pOnY!!! PoNy!!! pOnY!!!! YaY!!!! ahoysrcsm Jan 2020 #69

Means testing turns Social Security recipients into just another group that is . . . markpkessinger Jan 2020 #71

So billionaires and (at least for a time) millionaires get slagged on 24/7 The Valley Below Jan 2020 #73

"What Republicans think" has a funny way of influencing what centrist Democrats think n/t markpkessinger Jan 2020 #74

Liberals like myself and Joe Biden don't really care. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #75

Oh, now THERE's a comment that will unify the party and inspire votersto turn out at the polls .. . markpkessinger Jan 2020 #77

Unifying the party doesn't seem to me like where you are going with these BS attacks. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #78

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #89

I had no idea Valley was so influential! ehrnst Jan 2020 #88

+1 Cha Feb 2020 #140

I am a proud and sane moderate Democrat Gothmog Jan 2020 #66

That's fine. I have no problem with moderate Dems. DanTex Jan 2020 #70

If sanders is the nominee, Kevin McCarthy will be speaker Gothmog Jan 2020 #84

Your posts have shown a HUGE problem with anyone you consider "centrist" which is ehrnst Jan 2020 #87

Thank you Butterflylady Feb 2020 #151

I dig your invocation of the Big-B Boogeyman. It even sounds sincere. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #93

Thx for posting!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #6

Yeaaa, they may be talking about Bernie now but honestly, I think it'll be all about Bloomberg soon Vivienne235729 Jan 2020 #12

He is the fallback centrist. Voltaire2 Jan 2020 #14

The great liberal Democrat Joe Biden is ahead, has always been ahead, and is on track The Valley Below Jan 2020 #20

I won't argue w that. I can see him picking off JB's #'s. But I don't think thats a bad thing right Vivienne235729 Jan 2020 #23

Biden took the fight to Trump from day one. He defined the 2020 election more profoundly than emmaverybo Jan 2020 #80

Nope, I heard it. I also heard them go after each other which really dilutes their attack on trump. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #144

Yup, lovin' it. Hillary's latest urge to run may bring her into the race too... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #38

We've tried goin the centrist route several times recently, without success... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #51

We've never won any other way. Jakes Progress Feb 2020 #146

Respect!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #147

We're totally fucked if Bernie becomes the nominee NYMinute Jan 2020 #16

It is very easy to see who lived through McGovern's 49 state loss grantcart Jan 2020 #47

I remember. I was there. Dream Girl Jan 2020 #55

Never ever again grantcart Jan 2020 #57

I remember this race Gothmog Jan 2020 #67

But why do we assume the electorate hasn't changed since 1972? markpkessinger Jan 2020 #72

George McGovern was a very decent man. In contrast, Nixon's campaign OneMoreCupOfCoffee Jan 2020 #83

Lolololol grantcart Jan 2020 #85

My first presidential election vote. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #86

Not Really lees1975 Jan 2020 #49

Bernie has not been thoroughly vetted and treated with kid gloves NYMinute Jan 2020 #81

This is my problem with Bernie, no vetting. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #101

What rot. Jirel Jan 2020 #17

Yep. Obama lost. Blue Wave never happened. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #29

BIIIIIINNGGOOOOO!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #43

Let's go down the list: StevieM Jan 2020 #76

Just Stop with your Insults at the Dem Party that Swept Cha Jan 2020 #79

100% agree EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #19

Not that long ago this kind of crap would not have been tolerated on DU. I'm beginning to think lutherj Jan 2020 #22

yes there has been an influx of trolls here tiredtoo Jan 2020 #37

Thank you! lutherj Jan 2020 #53

The country hasn't changed all that much Dream Girl Jan 2020 #56

And that is the problem tiredtoo Jan 2020 #90

K&R Scurrilous Jan 2020 #25

sure is interesting how russian bots sneak these progressive hit pieces into DU nt yaesu Jan 2020 #26

really. elleng Jan 2020 #28

Are you accusing Gothmog of being a Russian bot, or am I misunderstanding your post? Jedi Guy Feb 2020 #153

Hahahahahaha LS_Editor Jan 2020 #34

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #35

You say you are Bernie or bust; will you support the Democratic nominee if it is not Sanders? LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #50

Trump will call any Democrat who wins the nomination "Socialist" lees1975 Jan 2020 #39

Bernie brags about being a socialist. None of the others do. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #63

So he'll run an ad with video of Sanders saying "I'm a socialist" (nt) Recursion Jan 2020 #82

And say "X is the MOST LIBERAL PERSON IN HISTORY" Bettie Jan 2020 #118

Why why why why why hey calm down man MasonDreams Jan 2020 #40

What is really toxic is that article, nothing to rejoice about even if you don't support Sanders Perseus Jan 2020 #42

Supporting Medicare for All cost Democrats who supported R B Garr Jan 2020 #45

I believe with a moderate candidate we could get many Pub votes from thosse who are disgusted with napi21 Jan 2020 #52

I voted for Bernie for Senate three times... heckles65 Jan 2020 #54

Exactly so. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #64

We're repeating the same mistakes of 2016 and are going to lose if it keeps up. Chicago1980 Jan 2020 #58

How About Healthcare For All? DanieRains Jan 2020 #59

I would point out this- James48 Jan 2020 #60

No one here will actually care what I say, but... thenelm1 Jan 2020 #61

Welcome to DU. We all have opinions here. Some are more prolific comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #65

My friends MFM008 Jan 2020 #62

sanders is a very weak candidate and trump would win 45+ states Gothmog Jan 2020 #91

"Poll finds Sanders faring best against Trump in Texas" Tarc Jan 2020 #92

False cwhile847 Jan 2020 #99

Biden is still well ahead in that poll. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #100

Data Reveals A Moderate Democrat Is The Best Chance To Beat Trump Gothmog Jan 2020 #106

More lies about Bernie's electability. Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #103

trump would destroy a weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #105

The establishment does indeed have a lot to lose with a Sanders candidacy. Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #109

The country has more to lose if trump is re-elected Gothmog Jan 2020 #110

That's just not true. Sanders appeals to a lot of the trump voters that wanted someone Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #111

sanders is a very weak candidate who trump would easily beat Gothmog Jan 2020 #112

You keep repeating the same talking point, thread after thread. Scotch-Irish Jan 2020 #113

I saw far too much of sanders and his supporters at national convention Gothmog Jan 2020 #115

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #116

I was a delegate in 2016 and right now I plan on honoring the tradition of letting other people go Gothmog Jan 2020 #119

Powerful account. Sanders "vetted" his delegates for this Hortensis Jan 2020 #135

This was not a fun experience Gothmog Jan 2020 #138

Yes. They find each other, of course. Hortensis Jan 2020 #139

sanders has very poor judgement on staffing Gothmog Feb 2020 #141

Only the best people Bernie.... Historic NY Feb 2020 #152

"Propaganda"? REALLY? George II Jan 2020 #123

I was amused by this charge also Gothmog Jan 2020 #129

When all you have are bogus personal attacks.. it's Cha Jan 2020 #132

Yeah, what's up with you accusing a member of "propaganda"? Cha Jan 2020 #136

I am actually very active in the real world Gothmog Jan 2020 #137

And, there are many voters who Cha Jan 2020 #131

The "Establishment" Got Us our BLUE WAVE VICTORY in 2018 Cha Jan 2020 #130

Excuse me! There are not "Lies" as you are accusing.. Cha Jan 2020 #125

Damned if they do, doomed if they don't: Why Sanders rivals don't go negative Gothmog Jan 2020 #104

We, the people, like most of his notions, just not his label Tweedy Jan 2020 #107

Right...because the status quo Bettie Jan 2020 #108

The status quo would be re-electing trump which is what happen if sanders is nominee Gothmog Jan 2020 #114

Look I get that you think only this one specific old white dude Bettie Jan 2020 #117

I do not want to see trump re-elected due to such a weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #120

Frankly, I worry that Biden Bettie Jan 2020 #121

I have met Joe in person twice Gothmog Jan 2020 #122

Exactly.. that "status quo" meme doesn't work with our Cha Jan 2020 #126

There is no "status quo going forward".. that's just meme some Cha Jan 2020 #124

Third Way Republican Lite. No thank you. YOHABLO Jan 2020 #127

Not "republicon" lite or any other measure. Cha Jan 2020 #133

My personal belief is that Sanders will be THRASHED . apcalc Jan 2020 #128

That's what I've been trying to tell people Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #134

I agree with Hillary Clinton comments on sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #142

Bernie's ideas are not toxic. His promises are empty Dietz Feb 2020 #143

CNN-Esitimated cost of sanders programs-$60 trillion Gothmog Feb 2020 #145

Socialism and being over 75 are a bad combo Gothmog Feb 2020 #150

This is 4 years old scipan Feb 2020 #156

Trump is salivating at the prospect of running against Sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #157

The grandson of GHW Bush is running this ad attacking socialists Gothmog Feb 2020 #158