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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Why I Work Against Bernie Sanders During the Primaries [View all]Gothmog
(145,176 posts)320. trump would destroy a weak candidate like sanders
In addition to the well written 101 page memorandum with oppo on sanders with a 1000 pages of backup from the Clinton campaign trump has his own oppo file on sanders that would destroy such a weak and divisive candidate like sanders. Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044
They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long gameattacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of colorfor example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for herClinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....
The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I dont know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
sanders was such a weak primary candidate that the Clinton campaign did not use its oppo but trump would have fun destroying such a weak candidate like sanders
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I would not use the word energetic...ruthless comes to mind...and how many of them are operation
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#35
So, so true - which is why most AAs are having no part of his "revolution". They stand to suffer,
Skya Rhen
Jan 2020
#111
If you suport Joe Biden, who has suggested reaching out to the GOP as President,
guillaumeb
Jan 2020
#3
What makes you think Biden has suddenly found the secret to getting repukes to budge?
Doremus
Jan 2020
#295
As always those who support I think Sanders leave out the part where Joe said he couldn't think of
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#44
I am assuming that you agree: reaching out to someone outside your party is not
beastie boy
Jan 2020
#68
Yes I do...Elzabeth warren was GOP a long time ago but Democrats and her when she joined our
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#174
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders urged Democrats to reach out to President Donald Trump's supporters
ehrnst
Jan 2020
#254
And they probably won't vote in 2020 either...chasing the elusive non-voter...is a waste of time
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#47
We register as many as we can...but no point in going after voters who don't vote.
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#175
A fair number of people I have come across in my GOTV efforts just don't care.
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#220
Indeed...agree with all you said...and Warren is my second choice should Biden falter .
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#49
That was a VERY LOUD AND CLEAR message of absolute contempt for Democrats...
NurseJackie
Jan 2020
#14
A feeling of "if I can't get there, then I'm gonna make sure nobody else can, either."
calimary
Jan 2020
#33
Running "as-a" Democrat is NOT the same thing as actually "being-a" Democrat. --- The word itself...
NurseJackie
Jan 2020
#56
Bush the Dumb:" Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, uh, fool me, uh, can't get fooled again."
Hekate
Jan 2020
#102
That goes triple for me MM...you put it very well better than I would... This is why I work for the
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#30
Brock has not been hired by any candidate ... so send a link if I am wrong...if he just hates Trump
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#63
Stein voters, justice Democrats, our revolution...all of those who went against the Democratic
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#176
I'm with you; and if you would, please allow me to add my observations.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2020
#42
What a great post...and not just because I agree with it either...well said.
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#69
"... and he's following the same playbook..." I'm disgusted this is allowed, just disgusted to core
uponit7771
Jan 2020
#196
Using another Christian analogy, Bernie seems to regard himself as the Martin Luther
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2020
#214
Correct me if I'm wrong. stein got 1 million of 134 million votes cast. give or take.
Kurt V.
Jan 2020
#182
No...she took votes in the EC states that gave Trump his EC victory...there were enough votes for in
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#192
I don't disagree about the Comey effect or the Russians...they made it close so with Stein
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#219
I'm saying he has been one of DU's more right leaning posters long before Bernie
JonLP24
Jan 2020
#108
The implication was that if you don't support Bernie you're probably a right-winger,
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2020
#191
Yes that was the implication, and there have explicit attacks against posters saying exactly that.
lapucelle
Jan 2020
#216
As a Democrat I Will Work Against Biden During the Primaries as he does not represent my needs
Autumn
Jan 2020
#74
I'm not interested in your comparisons. Bernie Sanders caucuses with the Dems and is running as a
Autumn
Jan 2020
#229
Me too... zero chance Joe wins the primary once the vetting begins in earnest.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#245
By the Democratic Convention in 2016 I didn't think my opinion of Sanders
comradebillyboy
Jan 2020
#76
This thread is about Sanders' campaign tactics and governing style, not policies.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2020
#103
We have a DU given right to support whom we choose and don't need an 'excuse'. I didn't support
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#199
Great aspirations-what is his record?? 2 post offices, a park, inclusion of women in defense bill,
58Sunliner
Jan 2020
#127
What is he supposed to do, vote against the Dems? What amendments has he put through all by himself?
58Sunliner
Jan 2020
#265
And another round of 2016 like bullying ain't going to have better results than it did then.
rwsanders
Jan 2020
#258
I agree...Sanders should support the Democratic nominee in the general this year .
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#259
I don't do small d, big D...we are all Dd. And there doesn't need to be any fix for Sanders to lose
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#276
It's not just his staffing issues (which are disqualifying on their own)
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#145
That's true, but it was his staff that was my tipping point for this round.
MineralMan
Jan 2020
#147
Fully understandable. The staffing issues (alone) are good enough cause IMO.
The Valley Below
Jan 2020
#156
What I can't figure out is why Warren isn't a more acceptable progressive choice
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2020
#205
That is nonsense...we deal in opinions. you all just don't like MM's opinions...
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#186
He explained his reasons for not supporting Sanders...I feel the same way. Hiring Stein supporters
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#243
I don't agree. I enjoy MM posts and think he explains his positions...I never wonder why he feels
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#248
I find it troubling that any Democrat would actively work against a possible Democratic nominee
True_Blue
Jan 2020
#183
Please note it is in the primary...and I would submit that Sanders and his Stein crew are actively
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#203
I don's see Bernie as a uniter, which is what we so desperately need at this critical juncture
dlk
Jan 2020
#221
This doesn't bother me at all. We need people who voted for Stein last time to vote for
totodeinhere
Jan 2020
#256
No we do not need any Stein voter working for a Democratic candidate. As for moving on...I will neve
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#260
Well, my positions and opinions on some subjects are not universally liked.
MineralMan
Jan 2020
#268
It is easier to attack you then to defend Sander's choice of staff...no one who didn't vote for the
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#271
I agree completely. We must not allow Trump or any GOP four more years. I am not sure
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#273
The op gets a lot of negative reactions because of some of his poor behavior in the past
Kentonio
Jan 2020
#284