Democratic Primaries

myohmy2

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157. so...

Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:06 AM

Jan 2020

Bernie,

" If the Democratic Party is going to succeed — and I want to see it succeed — it's gonna have to open its door to independents," he continued. "There are probably more independents in this country than Democrats or Republicans. It's got to open its doors to working people and to young people, create a grassroots party. That's what we need."

...I think your path is clear...

...get a petition going to boot Bernie out of the Party...petition the Party to have 'Democrat' removed from his name on all ballots...have the DNC put out statements disavowing Bernie and everything he says or stands for...do what it takes (I'm no lawyer) to legally distance the Party from Bernie in all respects...

...you shouldn't whine about it...

...division serves no one but trump and maybe few others...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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We need bold, sweeping change, an FDR type change. Elizabeth or Bernie are the only ones capable. [View all] brutus smith Jan 2020 OP

Love them both however sellitman Jan 2020 #1

+1000 Sherman A1 Jan 2020 #21

Love 'em both too!! Glad the Bernie/Elizabeth team is reunited... they need each othe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #126

You need to win a general...and I don't know that either can do this. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #2

To come even close to what FDR did we also need to win the Senate... Johnyawl Jan 2020 #5

I agree...it looks like we may have a play in Iowa which is shocking Joni the bull castrater Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #14

The problem with that is that Biden does not offer the change American society needs. LonePirate Jan 2020 #28

Entirely different set of needs? It's still the same redstateblues Jan 2020 #31

Except for possibly restoring our standing with our allies, Biden offers nothing for the other items LonePirate Jan 2020 #34

Absolutely! brutus smith Jan 2020 #44

Replacing the ACA is madness...we won't be able to do it...would take years...working with what we Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #98

And I think Biden has plenty to offer...things that might really happen. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #99

His climate change program is very strong, signed off on by the Sierra club. His education emmaverybo Jan 2020 #105

FDR type? Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #3

refused to integrate the military OKNancy Jan 2020 #8

and turning certain immigrants away at the border? nt DURHAM D Jan 2020 #10

If we have war squirecam Jan 2020 #33

Indeed. Also, FDR was far more an establishment government 1% insider than either one. ehrnst Jan 2020 #39

The country was a disaster when FDR took office. brutus smith Jan 2020 #45

Not the point Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #68

"So called Dems on here" ehrnst Jan 2020 #90

Truman and JFK-LBJ had their strengths but they didn't tackle appalachiablue Jan 2020 #97

Agree brutus smith Jan 2020 #118

But Obama can't be president again however much you wish tirebiter Jan 2020 #152

I'll agree with that tirebiter Jan 2020 #151

This is a major misunderstanding of the man and what he did. rwsanders Jan 2020 #80

Exactly Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #94

fdr was the worst democratic president ever. do i have this right? Kurt V. Jan 2020 #104

It looks like some would have preferred another 4 years of Hoover, appalachiablue Jan 2020 #106

No Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #107

So taking bold moves is a "far left" thing? I call it patriotic. brutus smith Jan 2020 #119

I'm not the one incorrectly trying to paint FDR as far left. Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #132

Center/Left Country DownriverDem Jan 2020 #4

Said DownriverDem: "Win first then push for the change we all so want" Prosper Jan 2020 #123

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!! If we want REAL change, we should vote for the REAL progressive visionaries... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #131

Wasn't FDR considered conservative to moderate - OhZone Jan 2020 #6

The socialists of his day called FDR a plutocratic corporatist and a war-monger. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #13

Indeed! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #22

And the conservatives called him dflprincess Jan 2020 #27

Yep. FDR has enemies on both flanks to deal with who were isolationists The Valley Below Jan 2020 #30

FDR did what he had to do to get this country going again. brutus smith Jan 2020 #46

Which DID NOT include turning the USA into a socialist state. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #60

Social Security, Public works programs, etc. Sounds "socialistic" to me. brutus smith Jan 2020 #76

In no way shape or form are social programs examples of socialism. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #91

Thank you! redstateblues Jan 2020 #108

And Bernie is not proposing the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. Prosper Jan 2020 #110

That's not true, he has done just that many times during his career. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #111

You have your tenses mixed up. I said he is not proposing and you contradict Prosper Jan 2020 #112

Plus that place was in bankruptcy. It would have been a favor. Prosper Jan 2020 #113

Not true. That is precisely what he's done. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #115

LOL. It was his policy years ago and it is his current policy now. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #114

May have been his policy but show me where he is proposing that now. Prosper Jan 2020 #116

I just did. In an article from 2019. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #117

If you are referring to the headline, Bernie did not say that. Prosper Jan 2020 #124

Sanders position evaluated. Prosper Jan 2020 #127

I Agree! brutus smith Jan 2020 #120

Yep! Scurrilous Jan 2020 #36

First of all snowybirdie Jan 2020 #7

Unfortunately, just when things get fixed and we need to Blue_true Jan 2020 #25

But that's what a few posters did earlier. They nitpicked FDR's accomplishment s brutus smith Jan 2020 #48

I have criticized FDR myself. There were numerous cases where Blue_true Jan 2020 #69

You could say Obama and Biden shied away from them also. brutus smith Jan 2020 #75

They had a super-majority for about 9 months. Blue_true Jan 2020 #78

They had a super majority for 24 days. blm Jan 2020 #84

Kennedy was replaced by a democrat, so they had 60 until Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. Blue_true Jan 2020 #86

Franken wasn't seated till July. And Byrd was out and then blm Jan 2020 #88

Ok. I get it. I forgot about the protracted situation in the Minnesota US Senate Blue_true Jan 2020 #100

I do, when I see it. blm Jan 2020 #103

That means they would need to serve 4 terms in the office. DURHAM D Jan 2020 #9

Spot on! beastie boy Jan 2020 #15

FDR won in a landslide DavidDvorkin Jan 2020 #11

That's it. Agree completely. Hoyt Jan 2020 #29

Why Joe's not the answer. Only the Bernie & Elizabeth team guarantees victory over the Pee-resident! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #128

FDR was an internationalist, pro-capitalist, pro-trade, anti-populist. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #12

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #16

+1000 brutus smith Jan 2020 #49

agreed Locrian Jan 2020 #17

Trump is already giving us more bold and sweeping Progressive dog Jan 2020 #18

To get an FDR type change, you need an FDR type Congress. Do you think Elizabeth or Bernie can beastie boy Jan 2020 #19

No! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #20

. TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #23

Brutus, the choice is DEMOCRACY or RW AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT. Hortensis Jan 2020 #24

Sleeping with the enemy (repubs) gets us nowhere. brutus smith Jan 2020 #52

Huh? The Repubs and the rise of RW fascism have become Hortensis Jan 2020 #62

Nobody is doing that. Nobody would do that. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #81

THIS IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE!! We need BOTH Bernie AND Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #26

I'm with ya... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #32

Change needs 60 votes in the Senate. Capable that. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #35

If one pays attention to how laws are made, anyway. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #38

Indeed. Skidmore Jan 2020 #50

I thought Joe could bring people together? Your telling me he can't bring enough repubs over? brutus smith Jan 2020 #121

Joe isn't promising to pass all the stuff Bernie is. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #122

"thinks they need repub approval for things" You mean like.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #37

but... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #41

....but....whataboutism.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #42

why... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #146

....are you embarassed talking about Bernie's record?.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #149

...yes, she should smile more while she sweeps... ehrnst Jan 2020 #145

I agree... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #147

...Bernie ain't no Liz... ehrnst Jan 2020 #148

....didn't think you'd have anything to say... ehrnst Jan 2020 #150

what? myohmy2 Jan 2020 #155

..."Sanders: I don't consider myself a Democrat".... ehrnst Jan 2020 #156

so... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #157

...going to just evade Bernie saying himself: "I don't consider myself a Democrat.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #158

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #66

Why? FDR faced 25% unemployment, a falling GDP, and 33% poverty Recursion Jan 2020 #40

Well you do, unless they are a minority treestar Jan 2020 #43

Nobody on DU Even Remembers FDR. MineralMan Jan 2020 #47

Since nobody remembers, lucky we have professional opinions. Prosper Jan 2020 #54

Hmm...whatever you say. MineralMan Jan 2020 #55

It doesn't change the premise. Prosper Jan 2020 #59

Read it all and it doesn't change FDR's position. Prosper Jan 2020 #63

Human rights for Japanese-American citizens? MineralMan Jan 2020 #64

I agree that his programs can be examined but his accomplishments Prosper Jan 2020 #65

Interesting that it is primarily the Biden supporters that want to pick apart FDR. rwsanders Jan 2020 #83

Me either. brutus smith Jan 2020 #92

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #56

I had a friend in college. She was of Japanese ancestry. MineralMan Jan 2020 #57

Yep; people who invoke historical figures usually focus only on the superficial facts that bolster LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #58

always makes me chuckle beachbumbob Jan 2020 #51

False... *FIRST* we need to put out the fire scheming daemons Jan 2020 #53

+1000 "The house is on fire and Bernie and Liz want to talk about remodeling the kitchen". UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #74

Not so. Warren will go after the corruption, global and domestic. blm Jan 2020 #85

FDR ran for President the first time as a moderate. empedocles Jan 2020 #61

We need a fighter booley Jan 2020 #67

You conflate the words 'floated' and 'inferred.' Again. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #72

Sanders is today's version of those who opposed the New Deal, Hortensis Jan 2020 #70

Precisely right. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #73

FDR had enemies from both sides. Oh yeah, just like Bernie. brutus smith Jan 2020 #77

Yes. History continues and is so clarifying. Hortensis Jan 2020 #82

Bernie is no FDR. Nor is he a JFK. ehrnst Jan 2020 #89

I think all of our Democratic candidates are quite capable. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #71

I strongly disagree with this claim Gothmog Jan 2020 #79

So now you're comparing Bernie to George McGovern? brutus smith Jan 2020 #93

This is a very valid comparison Gothmog Jan 2020 #95

... BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #87

Getting rid of Trump and his minions will be a bold, sweeping change peggysue2 Jan 2020 #96

If they lose, another 4 years before any attempt at change. And, they will lose. Hoyt Jan 2020 #101

absolutely. time for incremental change is literally up. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #102

Why? Recursion Jan 2020 #125

bc incremental change is linear. climate change is exponential Kurt V. Jan 2020 #140

But raising living standards is bad from a climate perspective Recursion Jan 2020 #141

That's under the current system. That's why the new green deal addresses this specifically Kurt V. Jan 2020 #142

No politician is perfect-not even Bernie, as many of his supporters claim redstateblues Jan 2020 #109

True, but Bernie's about as perfect a candidate as there is, with his bold progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #130

He just apologized for lying about calling Biden corrupt NYMinute Jan 2020 #133

What has Joe apologized for? brutus smith Jan 2020 #137

Read the news NYMinute Jan 2020 #139

Delusional redstateblues Jan 2020 #135

Bernie did literally nothing while in Congress redstateblues Jan 2020 #136

Really? And your proof of this? brutus smith Jan 2020 #138

Oops- I forgot. He had a post office named redstateblues Jan 2020 #144

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #129

... NYMinute Jan 2020 #134

So according to you we shouldn't aim high? brutus smith Jan 2020 #143

... Wawannabe Jan 2020 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #154