Democratic Primaries

brutus smith

(685 posts) Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:16 PM Jan 2020

We need bold, sweeping change, an FDR type change. Elizabeth or Bernie are the only ones capable. [View all]

We don't need someone who thinks they need repub approval for things. Let's do this!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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We need bold, sweeping change, an FDR type change. Elizabeth or Bernie are the only ones capable. [View all] brutus smith Jan 2020 OP

Love them both however sellitman Jan 2020 #1

+1000 Sherman A1 Jan 2020 #21

Love 'em both too!! Glad the Bernie/Elizabeth team is reunited... they need each othe!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #126

You need to win a general...and I don't know that either can do this. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #2

To come even close to what FDR did we also need to win the Senate... Johnyawl Jan 2020 #5

I agree...it looks like we may have a play in Iowa which is shocking Joni the bull castrater Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #14

The problem with that is that Biden does not offer the change American society needs. LonePirate Jan 2020 #28

Entirely different set of needs? It's still the same redstateblues Jan 2020 #31

Except for possibly restoring our standing with our allies, Biden offers nothing for the other items LonePirate Jan 2020 #34

Absolutely! brutus smith Jan 2020 #44

Replacing the ACA is madness...we won't be able to do it...would take years...working with what we Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #98

And I think Biden has plenty to offer...things that might really happen. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #99

His climate change program is very strong, signed off on by the Sierra club. His education emmaverybo Jan 2020 #105

FDR type? Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #3

refused to integrate the military OKNancy Jan 2020 #8

and turning certain immigrants away at the border? nt DURHAM D Jan 2020 #10

If we have war squirecam Jan 2020 #33

Indeed. Also, FDR was far more an establishment government 1% insider than either one. ehrnst Jan 2020 #39

The country was a disaster when FDR took office. brutus smith Jan 2020 #45

Not the point Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #68

"So called Dems on here" ehrnst Jan 2020 #90

Truman and JFK-LBJ had their strengths but they didn't tackle appalachiablue Jan 2020 #97

Agree brutus smith Jan 2020 #118

But Obama can't be president again however much you wish tirebiter Jan 2020 #152

I'll agree with that tirebiter Jan 2020 #151

This is a major misunderstanding of the man and what he did. rwsanders Jan 2020 #80

Exactly Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #94

fdr was the worst democratic president ever. do i have this right? Kurt V. Jan 2020 #104

It looks like some would have preferred another 4 years of Hoover, appalachiablue Jan 2020 #106

No Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #107

So taking bold moves is a "far left" thing? I call it patriotic. brutus smith Jan 2020 #119

I'm not the one incorrectly trying to paint FDR as far left. Dem4Life1102 Jan 2020 #132

Center/Left Country DownriverDem Jan 2020 #4

Said DownriverDem: "Win first then push for the change we all so want" Prosper Jan 2020 #123

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!! If we want REAL change, we should vote for the REAL progressive visionaries... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #131

Wasn't FDR considered conservative to moderate - OhZone Jan 2020 #6

The socialists of his day called FDR a plutocratic corporatist and a war-monger. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #13

Indeed! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #22

And the conservatives called him dflprincess Jan 2020 #27

Yep. FDR has enemies on both flanks to deal with who were isolationists The Valley Below Jan 2020 #30

FDR did what he had to do to get this country going again. brutus smith Jan 2020 #46

Which DID NOT include turning the USA into a socialist state. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #60

Social Security, Public works programs, etc. Sounds "socialistic" to me. brutus smith Jan 2020 #76

In no way shape or form are social programs examples of socialism. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #91

Thank you! redstateblues Jan 2020 #108

And Bernie is not proposing the collective ownership of the means of production and distribution. Prosper Jan 2020 #110

That's not true, he has done just that many times during his career. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #111

You have your tenses mixed up. I said he is not proposing and you contradict Prosper Jan 2020 #112

Plus that place was in bankruptcy. It would have been a favor. Prosper Jan 2020 #113

Not true. That is precisely what he's done. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #115

LOL. It was his policy years ago and it is his current policy now. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #114

May have been his policy but show me where he is proposing that now. Prosper Jan 2020 #116

I just did. In an article from 2019. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #117

If you are referring to the headline, Bernie did not say that. Prosper Jan 2020 #124

Sanders position evaluated. Prosper Jan 2020 #127

I Agree! brutus smith Jan 2020 #120

Yep! Scurrilous Jan 2020 #36

First of all snowybirdie Jan 2020 #7

Unfortunately, just when things get fixed and we need to Blue_true Jan 2020 #25

But that's what a few posters did earlier. They nitpicked FDR's accomplishment s brutus smith Jan 2020 #48

I have criticized FDR myself. There were numerous cases where Blue_true Jan 2020 #69

You could say Obama and Biden shied away from them also. brutus smith Jan 2020 #75

They had a super-majority for about 9 months. Blue_true Jan 2020 #78

They had a super majority for 24 days. blm Jan 2020 #84

Kennedy was replaced by a democrat, so they had 60 until Scott Brown won in Massachusetts. Blue_true Jan 2020 #86

Franken wasn't seated till July. And Byrd was out and then blm Jan 2020 #88

Ok. I get it. I forgot about the protracted situation in the Minnesota US Senate Blue_true Jan 2020 #100

I do, when I see it. blm Jan 2020 #103

That means they would need to serve 4 terms in the office. DURHAM D Jan 2020 #9

Spot on! beastie boy Jan 2020 #15

FDR won in a landslide DavidDvorkin Jan 2020 #11

That's it. Agree completely. Hoyt Jan 2020 #29

Why Joe's not the answer. Only the Bernie & Elizabeth team guarantees victory over the Pee-resident! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #128

FDR was an internationalist, pro-capitalist, pro-trade, anti-populist. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #12

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2020 #16

+1000 brutus smith Jan 2020 #49

agreed Locrian Jan 2020 #17

Trump is already giving us more bold and sweeping Progressive dog Jan 2020 #18

To get an FDR type change, you need an FDR type Congress. Do you think Elizabeth or Bernie can beastie boy Jan 2020 #19

No! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #20

. TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #23

Brutus, the choice is DEMOCRACY or RW AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT. Hortensis Jan 2020 #24

Sleeping with the enemy (repubs) gets us nowhere. brutus smith Jan 2020 #52

Huh? The Repubs and the rise of RW fascism have become Hortensis Jan 2020 #62

Nobody is doing that. Nobody would do that. NurseJackie Jan 2020 #81

THIS IS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE!! We need BOTH Bernie AND Elizabeth!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #26

I'm with ya... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #32

Change needs 60 votes in the Senate. Capable that. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #35

If one pays attention to how laws are made, anyway. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #38

Indeed. Skidmore Jan 2020 #50

I thought Joe could bring people together? Your telling me he can't bring enough repubs over? brutus smith Jan 2020 #121

Joe isn't promising to pass all the stuff Bernie is. Scurrilous Jan 2020 #122

"thinks they need repub approval for things" You mean like.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #37

but... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #41

....but....whataboutism.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #42

why... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #146

....are you embarassed talking about Bernie's record?.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #149

...yes, she should smile more while she sweeps... ehrnst Jan 2020 #145

I agree... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #147

...Bernie ain't no Liz... ehrnst Jan 2020 #148

....didn't think you'd have anything to say... ehrnst Jan 2020 #150

what? myohmy2 Jan 2020 #155

..."Sanders: I don't consider myself a Democrat".... ehrnst Jan 2020 #156

so... myohmy2 Jan 2020 #157

...going to just evade Bernie saying himself: "I don't consider myself a Democrat.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #158

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #66

Why? FDR faced 25% unemployment, a falling GDP, and 33% poverty Recursion Jan 2020 #40

Well you do, unless they are a minority treestar Jan 2020 #43

Nobody on DU Even Remembers FDR. MineralMan Jan 2020 #47

Since nobody remembers, lucky we have professional opinions. Prosper Jan 2020 #54

Hmm...whatever you say. MineralMan Jan 2020 #55

It doesn't change the premise. Prosper Jan 2020 #59

Read it all and it doesn't change FDR's position. Prosper Jan 2020 #63

Human rights for Japanese-American citizens? MineralMan Jan 2020 #64

I agree that his programs can be examined but his accomplishments Prosper Jan 2020 #65

Interesting that it is primarily the Biden supporters that want to pick apart FDR. rwsanders Jan 2020 #83

Me either. brutus smith Jan 2020 #92

+∞ LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #56

I had a friend in college. She was of Japanese ancestry. MineralMan Jan 2020 #57

Yep; people who invoke historical figures usually focus only on the superficial facts that bolster LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #58

always makes me chuckle beachbumbob Jan 2020 #51

False... *FIRST* we need to put out the fire scheming daemons Jan 2020 #53

+1000 "The house is on fire and Bernie and Liz want to talk about remodeling the kitchen". UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #74

Not so. Warren will go after the corruption, global and domestic. blm Jan 2020 #85

FDR ran for President the first time as a moderate. empedocles Jan 2020 #61

We need a fighter booley Jan 2020 #67

You conflate the words 'floated' and 'inferred.' Again. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #72

Sanders is today's version of those who opposed the New Deal, Hortensis Jan 2020 #70

Precisely right. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #73

FDR had enemies from both sides. Oh yeah, just like Bernie. brutus smith Jan 2020 #77

Yes. History continues and is so clarifying. Hortensis Jan 2020 #82

Bernie is no FDR. Nor is he a JFK. ehrnst Jan 2020 #89

I think all of our Democratic candidates are quite capable. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #71

I strongly disagree with this claim Gothmog Jan 2020 #79

So now you're comparing Bernie to George McGovern? brutus smith Jan 2020 #93

This is a very valid comparison Gothmog Jan 2020 #95

... BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #87

Getting rid of Trump and his minions will be a bold, sweeping change peggysue2 Jan 2020 #96

If they lose, another 4 years before any attempt at change. And, they will lose. Hoyt Jan 2020 #101

absolutely. time for incremental change is literally up. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #102

Why? Recursion Jan 2020 #125

bc incremental change is linear. climate change is exponential Kurt V. Jan 2020 #140

But raising living standards is bad from a climate perspective Recursion Jan 2020 #141

That's under the current system. That's why the new green deal addresses this specifically Kurt V. Jan 2020 #142

No politician is perfect-not even Bernie, as many of his supporters claim redstateblues Jan 2020 #109

True, but Bernie's about as perfect a candidate as there is, with his bold progressive agenda InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #130

He just apologized for lying about calling Biden corrupt NYMinute Jan 2020 #133

What has Joe apologized for? brutus smith Jan 2020 #137

Read the news NYMinute Jan 2020 #139

Delusional redstateblues Jan 2020 #135

Bernie did literally nothing while in Congress redstateblues Jan 2020 #136

Really? And your proof of this? brutus smith Jan 2020 #138

Oops- I forgot. He had a post office named redstateblues Jan 2020 #144

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #129

... NYMinute Jan 2020 #134

So according to you we shouldn't aim high? brutus smith Jan 2020 #143

... Wawannabe Jan 2020 #153

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