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Showing Original Post only (View all)It's Bernie, not Biden, who has the electability problem [View all]
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) has decided to attack Joe Biden, claiming that the moderate former vice president, who sits atop virtually every national poll with solid African American support, is somehow unelectable. His argument is that Biden couldnt possibly be elected because he voted for the Iraq War nearly 20 years ago and for the North American Free Trade Agreement 27 years ago. There is no data to support that argument and, logically, one would think that running as a self-described socialist now is a much bigger electability problem than Bidens past votes, but we do not have to speculate.
Some of Sanderss signature, super-progressive issues play very poorly in swing states. The Kaiser Family Foundations Blue Wall Voices Project last year found that large shares of swing voters in Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin say stopping detainments at the U.S. border for people cross into the country illegally and a national Medicare-for-all plan are bad ideas.
Moreover, polling over the last week or so shows clearly that picking Sanders would be a gamble. While he once was leading outside the margin of error in head-to-head matchups against President Trump, he is now losing or at best within the margin of error while Biden continues to be the most viable candidate against Trump.....
Moreover, given that Democratic victories are heavily dependent on African American turnout, it is difficult to see that Sanders, who gets a fraction of the African American support that Biden does, could turn out a bigger African American vote than Biden could. (Recall that in the 2016 primary, Hillary Clinton walloped Sanders among African American voters.) In the latest Fox News South Carolina poll, Biden gets 43 percent of the African American vote, Sanders just 12 percent.
And finally, remember that in the 2018 midterms, super-progressive candidates endorsed by Sanders did not flip a single House seat from red to blue. All those House seats were flipped by Biden-type moderates.
There will be a debate next week. That might be a good moment to quiz Sanders on where his claim to superior electability comes from. So far, there is not a whole lot if any evidence to back up his boast.
Some of Sanderss signature, super-progressive issues play very poorly in swing states. The Kaiser Family Foundations Blue Wall Voices Project last year found that large shares of swing voters in Michigan, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin say stopping detainments at the U.S. border for people cross into the country illegally and a national Medicare-for-all plan are bad ideas.
Moreover, polling over the last week or so shows clearly that picking Sanders would be a gamble. While he once was leading outside the margin of error in head-to-head matchups against President Trump, he is now losing or at best within the margin of error while Biden continues to be the most viable candidate against Trump.....
Moreover, given that Democratic victories are heavily dependent on African American turnout, it is difficult to see that Sanders, who gets a fraction of the African American support that Biden does, could turn out a bigger African American vote than Biden could. (Recall that in the 2016 primary, Hillary Clinton walloped Sanders among African American voters.) In the latest Fox News South Carolina poll, Biden gets 43 percent of the African American vote, Sanders just 12 percent.
And finally, remember that in the 2018 midterms, super-progressive candidates endorsed by Sanders did not flip a single House seat from red to blue. All those House seats were flipped by Biden-type moderates.
There will be a debate next week. That might be a good moment to quiz Sanders on where his claim to superior electability comes from. So far, there is not a whole lot if any evidence to back up his boast.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Yes, me too!! Bernie is the only electable candidate, as he's the only one who speaks to the base
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#11
YES, PRECISELY WHY BERNIE, NOT JOE, SHOULD BE THE DEMOCRAT WE NOMINATE TO RUN AGAINST DOLT45!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#165
Remember Nader voters who refused to vote for Gore, but kept their "principles & ideals" intact?
NBachers
Jan 2020
#176
The electoral college DID cost Hillary the election, as she herself admitted...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#118
If you believe he can eliminate Electoral College you are seriously uninformed.
olegramps
Jan 2020
#181
Please put down the pennants and pompoms for a minute and explain who the "base" is,
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2020
#100
The OP cited facts to suggest a reasonable inference, that Bernie, not Biden is the one with an
emmaverybo
Jan 2020
#101
In the GE I see it the other way around and I've seen nothing to convince me otherwise. nt
Autumn
Jan 2020
#4
I am sure you haven't...any evidence which by the way is plentiful...would be ignored. You support
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#12
I believe our best hope to take the White House and get rid of Trump is Bernie or Liz.
Autumn
Jan 2020
#14
Biden has very thin skin when it comes to his son as most parents are. Trump, Pukes and the media
Autumn
Jan 2020
#111
ANOTHER great point! Bernie doesn't let ANYTHING get to him, not even a heart attack for damn sake!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#141
Joe's chances of beatin tRumpty Dumbty, puttin Joe's questionable voting record aside, are far less
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#120
YES WE KNOW!! IF POLLS WERE ACCURATE, HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEATEN DOLT45 IN A LANDSLIDE!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#122
You cannot prove a negative. The question is, what evidence makes you see the other way around?
beastie boy
Jan 2020
#16
I think that Joe's temperament will be a real problem in the GE when Trump goes after him. nt
Autumn
Jan 2020
#19
For one I haven't seen Bernie go after a Democratic activist who worked on Obama's campaign
Autumn
Jan 2020
#23
Nice that you ask a question and ignore the factual answer because you don't like it.
Autumn
Jan 2020
#26
I like the answer, in a funny way, but it is n ot the answer to my question.
beastie boy
Jan 2020
#27
I gave an opinion on the electability of Bernie, Liz and Joe in the GE based on a current event
Autumn
Jan 2020
#34
Since post #16, post #20 and post #24. All of them asking for evidence. All of them you responded to
beastie boy
Jan 2020
#36
In post #19 I responded to you with my opinion. I see no reason, I have no need to
Autumn
Jan 2020
#47
And dismissively rolling on the floor laugh at anyone who disagrees or questions them.
LakeArenal
Jan 2020
#83
He's an activist who volunteered on Obama's campaign. He was hired by Bernie AFTER Trump told him
Autumn
Jan 2020
#51
Excellent point! Joe's temperament gets him in trouble & is the source of so many of his gaffes.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#129
True, though even a heart attack has not slowed Bernie down in the slightest...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#132
Go back and look at Joe's VP debates. Watch Joe's floor-mopping demonstration.
NBachers
Jan 2020
#136
Sure haven't seen any "floor-mopping" demonstrations by Joe in the Democratic primary debates.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#142
We'll never know, since he won't be involved in the general election, unless of course he...........
George II
Jan 2020
#130
No way Joe could EVER have beaten Hillary in ANY race they both competed in.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#125
Joe Biden never lost a single primary. Remember, Biden had a long distinguished Senate career....
George II
Jan 2020
#9
how far back is 1987?..even 2008 is ancient history..im sure all the candidates can be...
samnsara
Jan 2020
#40
By my count, Joe lost the Democratic primary elections in 1988 & 2008; thats 2 primary races he lost
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#138
BOOOOOOOOMMM!!!! There's a good reason Biden lost the 1988 and 2008 primary elections he ran in...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#15
you dislike biden so much....actually as much as I dislike BS..but I will swear to vote..
samnsara
Jan 2020
#41
Asked and answered DOZENS of times...though many here will pretend not to know.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#123
I know right ? They love to hold up Republicans views as how we should vote.
bahrbearian
Jan 2020
#30
Jennifer Rubin has been excellent and this proves you are not being objective. nt
UniteFightBack
Jan 2020
#33
Which of her statements do you consider to be factually incorrect?
The Velveteen Ocelot
Jan 2020
#82
The supporters for each of the Dem Prez candidates have seemed most reasonable, however, . . .
empedocles
Jan 2020
#29
Bernie self identifying as a Socialist is completely disqualifying !!! THE END. nt
UniteFightBack
Jan 2020
#31
I come from a family of realists and it's disqualifying for a General Election. Come on man! nt
UniteFightBack
Jan 2020
#112
It's not that Socialists are not acceptable it's what the Rs will do with it
yellowdogintexas
Jan 2020
#102
A DEMOCRATIC socialist...in the mold of FDR. Bernie is moving the Democratic Party back to its roots
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#124
Too early to know that for sure. And current polls don't take possible Republican shenanigans
totodeinhere
Jan 2020
#96
I could live with President Warren!! Both Elizabeth AND Bernie have FAR LESS baggage than Joe!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#145
I said a LONG time ago, show me who has the best chance of beating the FASCIST KILLER
Eliot Rosewater
Jan 2020
#62
That's what they said about Hillary too. We have to more than just beat tRump. We need a landslide
KPN
Jan 2020
#85
Exactly. I am very skeptical of know-it-all political pundits when they were so sure that
totodeinhere
Jan 2020
#88
I think that Bernie is looking past today's polls and he feels that he could run a more
totodeinhere
Jan 2020
#87
Jennifer Rubin is an astute, intelligent woman. Surely she wasn't serious about Bolton running....
George II
Jan 2020
#174
Wow, 2011. That's like 8-9 years old. Considering she's got 91,000 tweets, that's a lot of digging.
George II
Jan 2020
#128
Interesting. She joined twitter in November 2010 and has posted 91,000 tweets since....
George II
Jan 2020
#171
I'll be voting the DEMOCRATIC nominee into office... President Bernie Sanders!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2020
#148
The last time we experimented with a close to Bernie and Liz candidate was in 1972-George McGovern.
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#180