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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Electoral College Map...we need a centrist candidate to win the rustbelt to stop Trump. [View all]Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)156. There is no one size fits all but I will try,
Support the ACA with a public option and the lowering of age for Medicare. Support manufacturing with some sort of plan. No free college, it is a non-starter especially without income limitations. But do adress student loan issues. No basic income but raising the minimum would helpful. Don't say you want to abolish ICE or capitalism. Run on reasonable steps with details explaining how you plan to deal with climate change. I am on a cell so it is hard to type but you get the idea. Also infrastructure is a big issue everywhere.
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Electoral College Map...we need a centrist candidate to win the rustbelt to stop Trump. [View all]
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
OP
If you look at this map without a candidate who can attract rustbelt voters we lose.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#2
Look at the map. It is there in detail...you have to win the rustbelt...a debate isn't going to
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#5
It is a simple thing...we need to attract rustbelt voters in order to win the presidency in every
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#18
Wrong a centrist candidate didn't lose. A candidate who was beat up before the general
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#57
ZING!!! No more centrists... it's time a true progressive, like Bernie, had a turn
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#255
I do not believe Bernie can win a general. If I did, I would vote for him...
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#287
That's fair, guess we just disagree.I'll take my chances w/ a progressive over a centrist every time
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#289
We are talking about 2020. It will be different this time. We need someone who can appeal to the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#164
Someone who is not far left...a progressive can win. But our issues are important ...we run on the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#179
She was demonized by THE GOP for years and of course during 16 as well, she was the first
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#330
People who live in the rustbelt won't vote for far left or a socialist list in a general.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#269
I live in Ohio...so yeah I know people in the rustbelt...I have worked elections for years too.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#76
Everyone (who wins) moves right in a general...she didn't win but it is the only play in a
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#175
No it didn't escape my notice, but also look at who the rust belt actually voted for...
Agschmid
Mar 2019
#112
That is not possible in time for 20. It will take years. And if Trump re-elected,we are screwed
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#6
What's not possible for 2020? Getting a President and Congress who can really get things done?
marylandblue
Mar 2019
#12
What we need mostly is Trump gone and in order to select judges the Senate...but the most important
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#22
I hope we get both the Senate and the house...but looking at the map...a Senate win
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#80
We can't afford to lose the next election.Ginsberg is not going to last another four years- I fear.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#81
To be honest, there never was a "liberal coalition", there was a left-leaning coalition. Remember..
George II
Mar 2019
#280
Biden can win the general...he can win in the states we need. Beto has a shot. Amy klobachar has a
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#11
We don't know that for sure. It is a risk...I think about the Bradley effect.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#23
That is a good point. However, picking a far left candidate will undoubtedly lead to a loss.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#31
I am not attacking anyone...but if you run a candidate who is for reparations, basic income,
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#83
Medicare for all has a 17% approval if workplace insurance goes away. It would
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#195
I said everyone. I would vote for Sen Sanders whom I dislike if I thought he could beat Trump.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#61
Right on all points. We can't trust next year's election in the hands of someone who won't attract..
George II
Mar 2019
#281
Trump hurts the groups you mention far worse than any of the Democrats. And if you look at the map,
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#15
Everyone...no one ever gets everything they want...and getting Trump out is all that matters.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#25
Haha...it varies ...some one that is progressive but in a big tent middle kind of way
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#271
The only point of this election is to get Donald Trump out. He is a threat to country and the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#13
You won't get our people out in the rustbelt states with a far left candidate and you will lose the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#26
Democrats in the rustbelt tend to be moderate and we need independents...consider that we took back
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#34
Oh please Moderate Democrats want to stop police shootings of POC...and it will get
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#65
What is an "ascendant electorate"? And the OP was talking about our candidate, not electorate.
George II
Mar 2019
#279
If we run a good candidate we mght get coattails. McSally still has lukewarm support IMHO.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#177
That is untrue all three PA, WI and MI elected a Democratic governor in statewide races
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#28
It is not about popular vote or polls ....look at the states that always go Republican...he could
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#29
Only blue states have done this...which is so stupid it makes my teeth ache...we lose
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#41
I agree with everything you say...although Tariffs are more complicated these day. Trump's tariffs
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#42
Glad the convention is in Milwaukee. I hope the candidates show up in these states.
33taw
Mar 2019
#36
Absolutely we need a grass roots effort in every state. I have long admired Dean's 50 state
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#44
I live in a red county in rural WI. When we promote our values, we do really well.
33taw
Mar 2019
#107
It could happen. It is an honor to have a president from your state...and Beto almost defeated Cruz.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#55
We can't count on Texas even if Beto is on the ticket. But I believe he would help in the rustbelt.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#47
That would be a great ticket for the rustbelt and if we win Ohio, Trump is toast
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#69
Yes he's more known, but I don't see how that would make a win against Trump a sure thing.
Autumn
Mar 2019
#66
Having a president that comes from your state is a very prestigious thing... so I think it could
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#70
That is true too. Although his economic policies particularly the steel tariffs and the China tariff
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#72
The thing is the economy is not great in Ohio. We have lost more auto /parts plants from
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#93
That is my point. I hear people basically saying anyone can beat Trump...that is not true. It will
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#48
That is clear. These folks don't care about the country. Trump is a traitor but he is their
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#73
He could win if we choose a candidate that moves too far left in a primary.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#306
Yep, and unfortunately, the rabid attack from the far left will probably hurt this time too
LongtimeAZDem
Mar 2019
#56
I don't know what else you could call the socialists, but it's sad that you're amused by this
LongtimeAZDem
Mar 2019
#62
The Green Party has NO Credibility. In those critical SWING STATES, the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE
still_one
Mar 2019
#181
Here is Hillary's voting record. You made no case. That is the typial green party all or nothing
still_one
Mar 2019
#198
your ignorance of how Obama considered himself tells me all I need to know about your perspective.
shanny
Mar 2019
#230
Meanwhile, adjectives such corporatist, establishment, centrist, third-way, and elitist
TexasTowelie
Mar 2019
#204
HRC was not a centrist she was demonized by the far far green slime left and the Republicans
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#94
That is such nonsense...she lost in rustbelt states where centrists win...She faced a two
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#106
Centrism schmentrism, she lost where people were most desperate for change
BeyondGeography
Mar 2019
#125
No we need clean elections and that the people can vote and their votes will be counted.
Botany
Mar 2019
#54
Look at the map in the red states we are going to lose more than likely so we must shore up
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#75
I don't know if we need a 'centerist' or not, but I do know a socialist
comradebillyboy
Mar 2019
#67
Indeed. I actuall prefer moderate...because moderates hold progressive views in many cases
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#74
You need someone who can win the rustbelt...a radical progressive will surely lose.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#89
Feingold Johnson happened in16 . So this blows a big hole in your theory. that
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#239
Trump is better at it and we don't have an economic debacle and president with 28 %
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#311
Just a Friendly Reminder: Russian Meddling Easily Flipped Enough Votes in Three States in 2016.
malchickiwick
Mar 2019
#78
And we will face that again I think. However, Jill Stein took enough votes to have
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#87
We lose two Senate seats under that scenario. I think EW has been demonized as Hillary was and will
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#102
the candidate that generates the most enthusiasm, which translates directly to votes,
Kurt V.
Mar 2019
#82
No...that electoral college map says otherwise. We have a narrow path to victory...thus
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#85
I agree with everything you say. Perhaps I should say perceived centrist...those who can run
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#95
I like Beto too. He is my second choice...honestly I am pretty much liking him
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#100
Um, no. Just, no. Before everyone loses their shit about our need for a centrist...
SKKY
Mar 2019
#92
Look at the map. It is not about the number of votes but how the electoral college works.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#98
Exactly. 80K votes, spread across 3 states, that would have flipped the election...
SKKY
Mar 2019
#114
Incumbency has its advantages. Thus we need to select our candidate carefully, ..
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#191
Since it unlikely we can fix any of the above by 20, we have to over- achieve to win this election.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#104
Nope look at the house results. These are moderates who won in Districts that Trump carried
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#110
Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left
Gothmog
Mar 2019
#113
The concept that we can nominate an extreme candidate does not work in the real world
Gothmog
Mar 2019
#142
The GOP will say what theyt will say but the ACA is already popular and people want it improved.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#173
I would kill for status quo at this point. Let's see how about not running on
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#150
For the record, when a Website tells you 'here's the code to put it on your website' ...
mr_lebowski
Mar 2019
#154
I am embarassed to admit I do know how, and it does look like crap. I was on a cell which is a pain
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#178
I never thought Hillary would lose but she did so yeah that sort of thing can work.
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#333
Not really. Plenty of candidates have lost states n the primary and won them
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#207
If you can't win a primary there is no reason to believe you would win a general.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#205
I find the nation unreliable and ended my subscription after their vicious attacks on our 2016
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#200
Your objection to The Nation aside, I suggest reading any of the 4 articles.
Garrett78
Mar 2019
#263
They may be partisans but don't call themselves Democrats or Republicans for a reason.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#272
And the Senate /statewide map is worse for us than the house. Look at the map,
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#290
She Also had NAFTA thrown at her, she had been demonized in the primary and by the GOP
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#192
No we don't. We need to elect someone who addresses their needs and concerns. Like healthcare,
Autumn
Mar 2019
#210
A candidate who appeals to the rustbelt can do all that. A candidate that can't
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#213
It doesn't have to be a centrist is my point. Every candidate we have running is not only
Autumn
Mar 2019
#215
That's fine because I don't agree with your premise that we must elect a centrist.
Autumn
Mar 2019
#250
That's something that needs to be addressed. And it the last election it was not addressed
Autumn
Mar 2019
#221
Retraining is a dirty word in the Midwest. Thousand were retrained for jobs
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#261
Because that worked out so well for Hillary when she won all those rust belt states?
IronLionZion
Mar 2019
#237
No, we need a great message about an great agenda of positions that will help Americans live better
vlyons
Mar 2019
#252
This is true. We need a candidate that the GOP can't succeed in painting as
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#284
Yes, those terrible "centrists" will save our Party and our country. We need them!
George II
Mar 2019
#278
Howard Schultz would certainly define himself as a "centrist". Which begs the question,
bullwinkle428
Mar 2019
#288
I like Larry, too, but I have been saying that since the day after the 2016 elections ...
Cosmocat
Mar 2019
#323
Better yet...why not a candidate that can win the rust belt AND deliver Texas?
Indygram
Apr 2019
#343