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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Electoral College Map...we need a centrist candidate to win the rustbelt to stop Trump. [View all]Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)126. I merely wanted to try the map...wining states and can seeing
how we win. You can play with the map and post it.
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Electoral College Map...we need a centrist candidate to win the rustbelt to stop Trump. [View all]
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
OP
If you look at this map without a candidate who can attract rustbelt voters we lose.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#2
Look at the map. It is there in detail...you have to win the rustbelt...a debate isn't going to
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#5
It is a simple thing...we need to attract rustbelt voters in order to win the presidency in every
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#18
Wrong a centrist candidate didn't lose. A candidate who was beat up before the general
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#57
ZING!!! No more centrists... it's time a true progressive, like Bernie, had a turn
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#255
I do not believe Bernie can win a general. If I did, I would vote for him...
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#287
That's fair, guess we just disagree.I'll take my chances w/ a progressive over a centrist every time
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#289
We are talking about 2020. It will be different this time. We need someone who can appeal to the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#164
Someone who is not far left...a progressive can win. But our issues are important ...we run on the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#179
She was demonized by THE GOP for years and of course during 16 as well, she was the first
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#330
People who live in the rustbelt won't vote for far left or a socialist list in a general.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#269
I live in Ohio...so yeah I know people in the rustbelt...I have worked elections for years too.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#76
Everyone (who wins) moves right in a general...she didn't win but it is the only play in a
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#175
No it didn't escape my notice, but also look at who the rust belt actually voted for...
Agschmid
Mar 2019
#112
That is not possible in time for 20. It will take years. And if Trump re-elected,we are screwed
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#6
What's not possible for 2020? Getting a President and Congress who can really get things done?
marylandblue
Mar 2019
#12
What we need mostly is Trump gone and in order to select judges the Senate...but the most important
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#22
I hope we get both the Senate and the house...but looking at the map...a Senate win
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#80
We can't afford to lose the next election.Ginsberg is not going to last another four years- I fear.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#81
To be honest, there never was a "liberal coalition", there was a left-leaning coalition. Remember..
George II
Mar 2019
#280
Biden can win the general...he can win in the states we need. Beto has a shot. Amy klobachar has a
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#11
We don't know that for sure. It is a risk...I think about the Bradley effect.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#23
That is a good point. However, picking a far left candidate will undoubtedly lead to a loss.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#31
I am not attacking anyone...but if you run a candidate who is for reparations, basic income,
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#83
Medicare for all has a 17% approval if workplace insurance goes away. It would
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#195
I said everyone. I would vote for Sen Sanders whom I dislike if I thought he could beat Trump.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#61
Right on all points. We can't trust next year's election in the hands of someone who won't attract..
George II
Mar 2019
#281
Trump hurts the groups you mention far worse than any of the Democrats. And if you look at the map,
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#15
Everyone...no one ever gets everything they want...and getting Trump out is all that matters.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#25
Haha...it varies ...some one that is progressive but in a big tent middle kind of way
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#271
The only point of this election is to get Donald Trump out. He is a threat to country and the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#13
You won't get our people out in the rustbelt states with a far left candidate and you will lose the
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#26
Democrats in the rustbelt tend to be moderate and we need independents...consider that we took back
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#34
Oh please Moderate Democrats want to stop police shootings of POC...and it will get
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#65
What is an "ascendant electorate"? And the OP was talking about our candidate, not electorate.
George II
Mar 2019
#279
If we run a good candidate we mght get coattails. McSally still has lukewarm support IMHO.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#177
That is untrue all three PA, WI and MI elected a Democratic governor in statewide races
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#28
It is not about popular vote or polls ....look at the states that always go Republican...he could
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#29
Only blue states have done this...which is so stupid it makes my teeth ache...we lose
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#41
I agree with everything you say...although Tariffs are more complicated these day. Trump's tariffs
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#42
Glad the convention is in Milwaukee. I hope the candidates show up in these states.
33taw
Mar 2019
#36
Absolutely we need a grass roots effort in every state. I have long admired Dean's 50 state
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#44
I live in a red county in rural WI. When we promote our values, we do really well.
33taw
Mar 2019
#107
It could happen. It is an honor to have a president from your state...and Beto almost defeated Cruz.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#55
We can't count on Texas even if Beto is on the ticket. But I believe he would help in the rustbelt.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#47
That would be a great ticket for the rustbelt and if we win Ohio, Trump is toast
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#69
Yes he's more known, but I don't see how that would make a win against Trump a sure thing.
Autumn
Mar 2019
#66
Having a president that comes from your state is a very prestigious thing... so I think it could
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#70
That is true too. Although his economic policies particularly the steel tariffs and the China tariff
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#72
The thing is the economy is not great in Ohio. We have lost more auto /parts plants from
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#93
That is my point. I hear people basically saying anyone can beat Trump...that is not true. It will
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#48
That is clear. These folks don't care about the country. Trump is a traitor but he is their
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#73
He could win if we choose a candidate that moves too far left in a primary.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#306
Yep, and unfortunately, the rabid attack from the far left will probably hurt this time too
LongtimeAZDem
Mar 2019
#56
I don't know what else you could call the socialists, but it's sad that you're amused by this
LongtimeAZDem
Mar 2019
#62
The Green Party has NO Credibility. In those critical SWING STATES, the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE
still_one
Mar 2019
#181
Here is Hillary's voting record. You made no case. That is the typial green party all or nothing
still_one
Mar 2019
#198
your ignorance of how Obama considered himself tells me all I need to know about your perspective.
shanny
Mar 2019
#230
Meanwhile, adjectives such corporatist, establishment, centrist, third-way, and elitist
TexasTowelie
Mar 2019
#204
HRC was not a centrist she was demonized by the far far green slime left and the Republicans
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#94
That is such nonsense...she lost in rustbelt states where centrists win...She faced a two
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#106
Centrism schmentrism, she lost where people were most desperate for change
BeyondGeography
Mar 2019
#125
No we need clean elections and that the people can vote and their votes will be counted.
Botany
Mar 2019
#54
Look at the map in the red states we are going to lose more than likely so we must shore up
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#75
I don't know if we need a 'centerist' or not, but I do know a socialist
comradebillyboy
Mar 2019
#67
Indeed. I actuall prefer moderate...because moderates hold progressive views in many cases
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#74
You need someone who can win the rustbelt...a radical progressive will surely lose.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#89
Feingold Johnson happened in16 . So this blows a big hole in your theory. that
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#239
Trump is better at it and we don't have an economic debacle and president with 28 %
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#311
Just a Friendly Reminder: Russian Meddling Easily Flipped Enough Votes in Three States in 2016.
malchickiwick
Mar 2019
#78
And we will face that again I think. However, Jill Stein took enough votes to have
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#87
We lose two Senate seats under that scenario. I think EW has been demonized as Hillary was and will
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#102
the candidate that generates the most enthusiasm, which translates directly to votes,
Kurt V.
Mar 2019
#82
No...that electoral college map says otherwise. We have a narrow path to victory...thus
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#85
I agree with everything you say. Perhaps I should say perceived centrist...those who can run
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#95
I like Beto too. He is my second choice...honestly I am pretty much liking him
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#100
Um, no. Just, no. Before everyone loses their shit about our need for a centrist...
SKKY
Mar 2019
#92
Look at the map. It is not about the number of votes but how the electoral college works.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#98
Exactly. 80K votes, spread across 3 states, that would have flipped the election...
SKKY
Mar 2019
#114
Incumbency has its advantages. Thus we need to select our candidate carefully, ..
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#191
Since it unlikely we can fix any of the above by 20, we have to over- achieve to win this election.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#104
Nope look at the house results. These are moderates who won in Districts that Trump carried
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#110
Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left
Gothmog
Mar 2019
#113
The concept that we can nominate an extreme candidate does not work in the real world
Gothmog
Mar 2019
#142
The GOP will say what theyt will say but the ACA is already popular and people want it improved.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#173
I would kill for status quo at this point. Let's see how about not running on
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#150
For the record, when a Website tells you 'here's the code to put it on your website' ...
mr_lebowski
Mar 2019
#154
I am embarassed to admit I do know how, and it does look like crap. I was on a cell which is a pain
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#178
I never thought Hillary would lose but she did so yeah that sort of thing can work.
Demsrule86
Apr 2019
#333
Not really. Plenty of candidates have lost states n the primary and won them
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#207
If you can't win a primary there is no reason to believe you would win a general.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#205
I find the nation unreliable and ended my subscription after their vicious attacks on our 2016
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#200
Your objection to The Nation aside, I suggest reading any of the 4 articles.
Garrett78
Mar 2019
#263
They may be partisans but don't call themselves Democrats or Republicans for a reason.
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#272
And the Senate /statewide map is worse for us than the house. Look at the map,
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#290
She Also had NAFTA thrown at her, she had been demonized in the primary and by the GOP
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#192
No we don't. We need to elect someone who addresses their needs and concerns. Like healthcare,
Autumn
Mar 2019
#210
A candidate who appeals to the rustbelt can do all that. A candidate that can't
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#213
It doesn't have to be a centrist is my point. Every candidate we have running is not only
Autumn
Mar 2019
#215
That's fine because I don't agree with your premise that we must elect a centrist.
Autumn
Mar 2019
#250
That's something that needs to be addressed. And it the last election it was not addressed
Autumn
Mar 2019
#221
Retraining is a dirty word in the Midwest. Thousand were retrained for jobs
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#261
Because that worked out so well for Hillary when she won all those rust belt states?
IronLionZion
Mar 2019
#237
No, we need a great message about an great agenda of positions that will help Americans live better
vlyons
Mar 2019
#252
This is true. We need a candidate that the GOP can't succeed in painting as
Demsrule86
Mar 2019
#284
Yes, those terrible "centrists" will save our Party and our country. We need them!
George II
Mar 2019
#278
Howard Schultz would certainly define himself as a "centrist". Which begs the question,
bullwinkle428
Mar 2019
#288
I like Larry, too, but I have been saying that since the day after the 2016 elections ...
Cosmocat
Mar 2019
#323
Better yet...why not a candidate that can win the rust belt AND deliver Texas?
Indygram
Apr 2019
#343