Democratic Primaries

The Valley Below

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133. Strange on a pro-Democrat website to have our past presidents called "Democratic overlords."

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Sun Nov 17, 2019, 09:31 PM

Nov 2019

Smells fishy to me.

Maybe, Petrale Sole?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Democrats Not Headed Too Far Left, Says Ocasio-Cortez, 'We Are Bringing the Party Home' [View all] Uncle Joe Nov 2019 OP

She is 100% correct, and that is what scares the mega donors and their puppets nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #1

Nobody's scared of AOC or "commondreams" propaganda. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #4

Nobody's inspired by donor-driven politics BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #5

Yep... paleotn Nov 2019 #104

Don't count on it. Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #28

They sure are... AOC rocks!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #137

Uh Oh. The first 2 posts in this thread encapsulize wnylib Nov 2019 #86

those lines have been drawn for a long time rampartc Nov 2019 #201

But they are especially significant now when wnylib Nov 2019 #218

Focus on DownriverDem Nov 2019 #107

Seems that is a tiny little overlooked fact by all the arm chair experts here Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #112

There will be ONCE AGAIN a hard push by some to go to the left, which I would love Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #151

No leftist has ever won the White House. Aquaria Nov 2019 #166

It's about the branding, folks. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #190

The left including Ocasio-Cortez need to do their homework first before they bring the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #191

isnt that what she is doing? LeftTurn3623 Nov 2019 #239

No she is working at the primary level...to win for what she calls the progressive part of the Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #240

+1000% Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #27

Might be good idea to get the WH and Senate then legislate as left as we can. brush Nov 2019 #147

That is what I am concerned about. POLLING will tell us what to do. If POLLING says Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #200

Liberals are pragmatic progressives. Things have to be achievable or we're... brush Nov 2019 #203

Yes, a liberal was a progressive before the term was created or caught on, and some of us Eliot Rosewater Nov 2019 #206

Come on Aquaria Nov 2019 #161

Yes, yes and yes. BeckyDem Nov 2019 #192

Oh yes so afraid tymorial Nov 2019 #226

According to Nate-Democratic voters are closer to Biden than Warren/sanders Gothmog Nov 2019 #235

It's what keeps me in the Democratic Party. Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #2

Not me. A commitment to liberalism is what makes the Democratic Party my unwavering home. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #8

That's what makes it a democracy. And what makes it great! Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #12

About the New Deal: FDR had Dem Congress and still had to compromise... brush Nov 2019 #152

I wish for this time's New Deal. The 30s and the 60s were their times. Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #157

That I can agree with. brush Nov 2019 #174

It's all about coming home to the Democratic Party's progressive roots. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #138

We can't embrace our progressive roots in a center left country and win elections...and every Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #193

she is right and wherever we bring it it will be far left of the fascists regardless. nt yaesu Nov 2019 #3

FDR must be rolling in his grave. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #6

The abandonment of the original New Deal was overseen by centrist Dems over the last 30 yrs BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #39

Sure pal. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #40

Why do you think we need a new New Deal then? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #50

Spot on. nt Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #63

Nah. The much disparaged by the left Bill Clinton ENDED the Age of Reaganism... The Valley Below Nov 2019 #70

Bill Clinton was very much a case of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em". Obama even praised Reagan. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #73

LOL. No pal. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #74

Wow, where have you been the past 30 years. This is common knowledge. Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #77

Me? I've been volunteering to elect Democrats and voting every time. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #81

"Liberal" Democrats like Uncle Joe? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #84

Well, I have been on DU since 2003 and these discussions used to be common place Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #85

No. Thank goodness I've never heard Bill Clinton disparaged is such a fashion. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #93

Ah, yes. Triangulation.... paleotn Nov 2019 #119

Seems like you have some very serious issues with the last two Democratic presidents? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #120

Umm, Bill..... paleotn Nov 2019 #125

LOL. Sounds like you are back-peddling as fast as you can after trashing our last two presidents. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #127

Again with the same false dillema fallacy... ehrnst Nov 2019 #211

If boomer_wv Nov 2019 #167

I'm a big fan of both these two former presidents. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #169

I agree boomer_wv Nov 2019 #171

From Nancy MacLean's "Democracy in Chains": betsuni Nov 2019 #129

I hear you, but.... paleotn Nov 2019 #136

Sorry, Bill.... paleotn Nov 2019 #96

Flaming people? LOL. Standing up for liberal Democratic presidents "offends" you? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #115

I don't think so. paleotn Nov 2019 #121

LOL. You trash Bill Clinton and accuse *me* of trashing Democrats? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #123

Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #132

Strange on a pro-Democrat website to have our past presidents called "Democratic overlords." The Valley Below Nov 2019 #133

Um, where did I state that? paleotn Nov 2019 #142

You deny it, and then you double down. Too funny! The Valley Below Nov 2019 #145

..Democratic overlords.."..?! not a very wise term Cha Nov 2019 #236

Interesting... a false dillema, attacking a straw man, and an ad hominem attack ehrnst Nov 2019 #205

... George II Nov 2019 #212

For someone who' been a member here at DU KPN Nov 2019 #176

Too funny! Praising Democratic presidents on a pro-Democratic forum is considered antagonistic? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #178

.... KPN Nov 2019 #194

Rachael Maddow calls herself an Eisenhower democrat Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #100

Rachael Maddow isn't trying to be the Democratic nominee for President. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #113

No...really??? I was responding to a post about racheal maddow Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #131

You were responding to an accurate description of a president or presidential candidate. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #139

Go away...it's a statement of fact Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #179

A lot of the folks in the far left camp have hatred for Obama BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #208

I really admire President Obama. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #209

+100000 BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #210

Remember when BS was suggesting that Obama should be primaried for his 2nd term? NurseJackie Nov 2019 #213

Oh I remember it well BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #220

▶▶▶ Biden remembers it too... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #251

Where do you get this stuff?? Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #80

That's rubbish! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #99

Reagan was an advocate of universal health care? Who knew? brooklynite Nov 2019 #188

Ended the "Age of Reaganism"? Stargleamer Nov 2019 #253

Not pure enough for you? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #254

You may need to go home and do some homework then. Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #62

LOL. Thank you. I hardly need a lecture on the history of the Democratic Party. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #67

Then respond with some actual articles and facts Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #72

Try this one. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #76

New Poll Shows Basically Everyone Likes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #83

A year old "online poll" that didn't identify AOC The Valley Below Nov 2019 #87

Sounds like when Democratic proposals are presented w/o the color of RW propaganda, people like them BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #110

Agree! People are quick to overlook AOC, and I will say this kindly...missteps Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #111

+1000 sheshe2 Nov 2019 #217

Here's some eye popping numbers/ facts for you. NYT/Sienna poll Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #98

President Obama set a record for Wall Street funding when running for president. betsuni Nov 2019 #90

Actually the abandonment of the new deal Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #54

Oh, right. Which is why Truman tried to build on the New Deal in 1948 with the Fair Deal. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #60

Read some history Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #64

The idea that being a hard-nosed Cold Warrior is incomparable with having a social conscience BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #69

Recognizing reality and history Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #91

Sort of like what you're doing? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #117

Projection Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #153

Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #155

Oh but the facts in the those big history books... such pesky little things!! Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #116

Exactly Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #154

Sure Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #78

LOL stonecutter357 Nov 2019 #134

You're joking. Right? paleotn Nov 2019 #92

Hardly. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #95

Thought so. paleotn Nov 2019 #97

On November 9 my Congressman, John Larson, was meeting with constituents in Hartford... George II Nov 2019 #7

Excellent point. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #14

I can't speak for all of them, but I can for some... George II Nov 2019 #18

I can't blame then for being dissatisfied. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #20

I've met three of our state's five members of Congress (well, Esty was one of those three.... George II Nov 2019 #24

They were responsible and took their position seriously.... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #32

Ocasio-Cortez Viewed Favorably by Majority of Voters in Her District BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #102

Here are the top two headlines from your link: George II Nov 2019 #114

Ahh! The voice of recent history...thank you. She will crash and burn at this rate Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #181

Reminder: That's from April, 7 months ago and only 3 months into her term.... George II Nov 2019 #189

i wouldn't say that single metric can determine good or bad members. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #29

Not that in of itself, but meeting with and knowing one's constituents goes a long way toward... George II Nov 2019 #31

i would like to see if there is a correlation bt the great legislators of our time and their trips Kurt V. Nov 2019 #52

Some legislators don't go back to their districts during the entire recess, but they stay in DC.... George II Nov 2019 #55

and some legislators don't go back home bc their gerrymandered district (repubs) Kurt V. Nov 2019 #65

If they don't like them how do they get elected? George II Nov 2019 #109

Holding town halls in one's district is something to be encouraged Gothmog Nov 2019 #234

New Deal and Civil Rights were possible because Democrats had majorities in legislature. betsuni Nov 2019 #9

But we may be in control of both Sen & the House AND the Pres after the next election! flying_wahini Nov 2019 #11

Unlikely; I doubt Kelly can win Arizona, even if we sweep the rest LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #22

Whaaaaaaaaaat? W_HAMILTON Nov 2019 #26

Sinema barely beat McSally, in part because McSally ran such a horrid campaign. But Kelly LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #58

Oh I think Kelly has a very good shot Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #122

I hope you're right, but the opposition hasn't even mentioned the gun issue. It will LongtimeAZDem Nov 2019 #144

And as you hope I'm right I hope you're wrong Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #182

Gardner in CO is by far the surest one that will go down, but I do think we flip AZ as well Celerity Nov 2019 #249

you do realise there are 13 flippable seats, AZ is not necessary to regain the majority Celerity Nov 2019 #248

So much for "forward thinking", eh? George II Nov 2019 #19

The socialists of his day called FDR a plutocrat, a corporatist, and worse... The Valley Below Nov 2019 #10

+1 Docreed2003 Nov 2019 #13

You are right. There are many things FDR stood for that are a problem for me as Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #17

The whole "taxing the rich" from the past is a false premise. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #23

The facts about tax revenue: PETRUS Nov 2019 #36

A Twitter graph of RATES is meaningless. My numbers are correct; regardless of ANY rates. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #56

That's not a graph of rates. PETRUS Nov 2019 #66

Why does the title say "Total Tax Rate" then? MichMan Nov 2019 #75

Because it combines all taxes paid (Federal, State, municipal, etc.). nt PETRUS Nov 2019 #82

But combining local, state & city taxes clouds the issue. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #88

That's a pretty wordy way of avoiding the admission that you were wrong. PETRUS Nov 2019 #89

Of course it does. The feds dont take our state and local taxes. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #159

You are sidestepping and grasping at straws. PETRUS Nov 2019 #196

Nowhere in that chart is there anything stating taxes collected MichMan Nov 2019 #198

It's not immediately apparent if you're not looking beyond my post. PETRUS Nov 2019 #219

Really? Didn't know that. I think of the Revenue Tax Act of 1935 being a part Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #42

You are correct with the rates. But what was actually PAID is all that matters. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #57

Oh well if that's all that matters. Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #59

Well, obviously. Real revenue is what matters, not feel-good BS. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #207

His WPA discriminated against disabled people loyalsister Nov 2019 #38

Yes as I said - definitely flawed and hopefully if we instituted something like Nanjeanne Nov 2019 #47

Not only that, his son signed amendments loyalsister Nov 2019 #105

I mean really... let's trash every good dem ever ..for what. We ALL have our faults Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #126

He isn't here to confirm or deny whether he thinks the difference is positive loyalsister Nov 2019 #135

And he was called a warmonger. betsuni Nov 2019 #21

How could I have left out that little detail? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #25

that shows a progression of all the parties you mention since then. Kurt V. Nov 2019 #30

Not sure if I'm following your point. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #35

all those groups, the socialist, new dealers and today's democratic party have progressed or Kurt V. Nov 2019 #48

Hey WELCOME to DU ChubbyStar Nov 2019 #37

Well said Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #53

You nailed that one. When aoc has some political capital to wield then.... Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #124

Yup. Voltaire2 Nov 2019 #15

Once again i like AOC's responce SterlingPound Nov 2019 #16

She's the best melman Nov 2019 #33

"Those types"? Whatever are you talking about? George II Nov 2019 #41

The people that hate Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez melman Nov 2019 #44

Like the ones who hate HRC. ehrnst Nov 2019 #199

... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #221

I know. That was just too easy. ehrnst Nov 2019 #222

If someone hands it to you on a platter... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #224

It was like someone sang "Shave and a haircut...." ehrnst Nov 2019 #225

TWO BITS!!! NurseJackie Nov 2019 #228

SEE WHAT I MEAN!!!!!??? ehrnst Nov 2019 #229

I won't speak for Melman Mariana Nov 2019 #46

Fair question. H2O Man Nov 2019 #202

Sharice Davids... NurseJackie Nov 2019 #223

Katie Porter... they really fear her even more. She's quiet, doesn't crave the spotlight ehrnst Nov 2019 #227

Katie Porter H2O Man Nov 2019 #231

Oh, of course not. H2O Man Nov 2019 #230

Nobody accused you of saying that. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #243

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #244

Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2019 #245

I appreciate some things, and worry about others. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #232

I am guessing they are talking about Republicans who hate her Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #148

bwahahahahaha!!!! George II Nov 2019 #150

Well, that is exactly how it comes across. Pretty much every Quixote1818 Nov 2019 #175

Well, you asked "Are you suggesting you hate AOC?". So, are YOU suggesting I "hate AOC"? George II Nov 2019 #247

This post got alerted, melman. Mariana Nov 2019 #49

Very odd indeed melman Nov 2019 #51

The anti-Bernie extremists despise AOC...we all know who they are. nt Lucky Luciano Nov 2019 #94

Indeed, it did. H2O Man Nov 2019 #204

Uh-huh. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #241

I don't hate her. She's inexperienced and quick to rush in without all the facts Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #128

Over the target catching flak, as they say. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2019 #140

we need the new green deal. Its imperative Kurt V. Nov 2019 #34

She's right, Democrats aren't headed too far to the left, mostly because the Democrats... George II Nov 2019 #43

K n R JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #45

Too far left warmfeet Nov 2019 #61

That's a winning message, Uncle Joe, not talks of a revolution. beastie boy Nov 2019 #68

Blacks and Independents are not going to vote for Pete. Warren or Bernie** MRDAWG Nov 2019 #71

How are we not treestar Nov 2019 #79

Justice Democrats believe the following: betsuni Nov 2019 #118

Agree Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #101

Yes!! This is who we are as a party and as a nation AllyCat Nov 2019 #103

Exactly. Right on AOC. CentralMass Nov 2019 #106

I have yet to disagree with AOC. dchill Nov 2019 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #130

Democrats 'home" has never been that far left. Every time she speaks we lose doc03 Nov 2019 #141

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2019 #237

Kicking for AOC democrank Nov 2019 #143

I wish she didn't toss Democrats under the bus so consistently ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #146

The Party is moving left - as it should. So, who's throwing who under the bus here? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #149

What the hell are you talking about? ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #160

AOC was responding the way people being unfairly criticized should. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #163

Apparently, throwing Democrats under the bus is appropriate when... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #158

AOC and Bernie aren't the right kind of Democrats for you? BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #164

I see what you did there... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #168

For the record Dem4Life1102 Nov 2019 #180

And your post is proof of treasonbastards post #158 Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #183

Warren's latest health plan is causing concerns for some centrist, moderate and rural Democrats Gothmog Nov 2019 #216

I'll listen to Obama (and Pelosi, and HRC) rather than AOC. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #156

She really should study a bit of history before shooting her mouth off... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #162

And the racist Dems that opposed it then became Republicans. Maybe you should study a bit. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #165

I am well aware of that. I even know that LBJ admitted they lost the South by... TreasonousBastard Nov 2019 #170

maybe didn't read your post?? Just wants to pot stir. Angry...all of the above Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #184

testify sister Capt. America Nov 2019 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #173

Right on AOC! KPN Nov 2019 #177

She is correct and Bernie will lead the way. Joe941 Nov 2019 #185

When did the Democratic Party fight for Queer Liberation then stop? Otto Lidenbrock Nov 2019 #186

Easy to say when your home is a D+29 safe Blue District. brooklynite Nov 2019 #187

Great. More astroturf divisions being created under the pretense of "more progressive than thou" LanternWaste Nov 2019 #195

Polling does not support this claim by AOC Gothmog Nov 2019 #197

AOC 2028 samir.g Nov 2019 #214

Florida Democrats want a moderate. Gothmog Nov 2019 #215

Support for a public option has been increasing, and for Medicare-for-All has been decreasing Gothmog Nov 2019 #233

I love AOC LeftTurn3623 Nov 2019 #238

As do I LeftTurn. Uncle Joe Nov 2019 #242

How Moderates Are Seizing the Moment in the Democratic Primary Gothmog Nov 2019 #246

Obama tells Democrats worried about the primary field to 'chill out' Gothmog Nov 2019 #250

She like myself gibraltar72 Nov 2019 #252

Polling show MFAIs a bad idea Gothmog Nov 2019 #255