Democratic Primaries

emmaverybo

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31. Damn the polls is our election slogan for 2020? How reckless.

Reply to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:04 AM

Nov 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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So M4A is a vote loser. What about Obamacare? [View all] wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 OP

The Affordable Care Act (aka the right wing "Obamacare") is nothing like "Medicare for All". George II Nov 2019 #1

The affordable care act was a winning issue in the 2018 midterms Gothmog Nov 2019 #88

We can not afford to lose to Trump over a healthcare plan that most likely will never become emmaverybo Nov 2019 #2

It's as simple as that. Thanks! George II Nov 2019 #3

Yes... it is as simple as that! Not sure why some are so unwilling to admit this Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #7

Like I said before wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #53

Thank you. dflprincess Nov 2019 #64

If you have access to paying for healthcare, how is that different treestar Nov 2019 #95

Insurance does not equal care dflprincess Nov 2019 #98

It is a way to pay for it treestar Nov 2019 #106

that is a flat out lie dsc Nov 2019 #96

And millions got access to insurance policies with deductibles that are so high they still can't dflprincess Nov 2019 #97

that's only the case in state with no medicaid expansion AlexSFCA Nov 2019 #102

That's not why at all, and most people here know it. George II Nov 2019 #74

That is completely untrue...we lost because some on the left refused to vote for Hillary and Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #84

That is untrue... the fact is we can't get elected running on this...and we won't pass it even we Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #104

Democrats didn't get elected on the ACA at first wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #108

We can't afford to lose to him by not standing with our values, either. Gore1FL Nov 2019 #5

Having a Public Option added to the ACA reflects this liberal Democrat's values perfectly The Valley Below Nov 2019 #13

We lost to Trump after promising to maintain the status quo wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #10

The election was stolen. Had nothing to do with so-called status quo. Hilary Clinton was more emmaverybo Nov 2019 #29

If the popular vote meant anything, Hillary would be in office wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #34

I don't know what status quo you refer to. Hilary Clinton offered many sound and progressive emmaverybo Nov 2019 #44

What status quo? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #114

I've asked dozens of times of those who decry the "status quo" - what IS the "status quo"? No reply. George II Nov 2019 #75

No surprises there. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #81

Trump won because of an undemocratic election system Hav Nov 2019 #32

Yep, that should tell you that the status quo is broken wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #35

Other candidates want to bring down drug costs. Doing that is not dependent upon M4All. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #57

I don't understand why every "Democrat" doesn't think like this. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #91

Recent election results show that the ACA is a winner. Blue_true Nov 2019 #4

If we pass policy based on what is an election winner wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #11

To pass any policy at all, we have to win. Blue_true Nov 2019 #23

2018 issues included Med4All, gun control, income inequality blm Nov 2019 #77

MFA was not part of the 2018/2019 democratic candidates' message in the states. Blue_true Nov 2019 #78

The midterm elections were, to an important extent, a referendum on the Affordable Care Act Gothmog Nov 2019 #89

WE have to push for MFA immediately ritapria Nov 2019 #6

Pssst....2020 isn't the "midterms"! George II Nov 2019 #8

That's all I need to know. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #82

IKR? ehrnst Nov 2019 #100

ACA is a WINNER NOW.. Haven't you heard?! Cha Nov 2019 #9

ACA was a loser then, remember? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #12

We're talking about NOW. Cha Nov 2019 #14

We're talking about kicking a can down the road wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #16

If Americans took your advice and voted against the "status quo", Obama wouldn't have been reelected George II Nov 2019 #76

Not true, since most of us supported the ACA. And still do BTW. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #15

Remember the public option? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #17

Moderates? Who's that? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #20

The ACA was and is still an imperfect policy wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #24

We all know what got us Trump. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #28

I did not hear any proposals from M4All supporters to strengthen Obamacare, protect and expand emmaverybo Nov 2019 #30

Didn't Warren already address that? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #36

I know right.. big Difference. Cha Nov 2019 #18

You only support it now because it's now popular wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #21

Don't tell me what I do.. you have no idea what you're talking about. Cha Nov 2019 #25

You calculate based on whatever polls better wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #37

No it is NOT "well established".. you really don't know what Cha Nov 2019 #39

This is you literally two days ago wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #45

It was a LOSER.. so WHAT? It's still a LOSER.. I want to WIN.. I want Biden's plan shoring up Cha Nov 2019 #54

So you are on record saying Obamacare was a loser? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #58

You need to figure out your own problems Cha Nov 2019 #60

What's stopping you from opposing M4A now wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #62

LOL. Why are you gaslighting people who know what they believe in far better than you do? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #26

Thank You! Good question.. Why the hell why? Cha Nov 2019 #40

"When did you stop beating your wife?" wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #51

You're just being ridiculous with that question. Cha Nov 2019 #56

A hostile, invidious question wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #59

It was dead on. Cha Nov 2019 #61

So everytime people throw out "gaslighting" wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #63

Damn the polls is our election slogan for 2020? How reckless. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #31

You move the polls, not follow them. wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #38

K n R JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #19

It had to be said wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #22

It really didn't. You are just insulting liberal Democrats loyalists. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #27

Nope, just pushing back against defeatist rhetoric against M4A wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #42

Not "defeatist" in any measure. I strongly support a different path forward. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #43

You've just embraced a scare tactic wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #49

More gaslighting? Get off it! The Valley Below Nov 2019 #52

You're the one making excuses wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #55

No excuses. What is your problem. Like the vast majority I prefer a Public Option. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #65

A form of the ACA had already been successfully established in Massachusetts. betsuni Nov 2019 #33

Look at all the other countries with single payer wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #41

I said in Vermont it didn't work. betsuni Nov 2019 #46

And I told you why it didn't work in Vermont wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #47

But didn't Romneycare have to also deal with $400 insulin and high prices? betsuni Nov 2019 #48

Once again, apples to oranges wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #50

There are almost none. Really just Canada Recursion Nov 2019 #94

there are other nations that have single payer, and also ones with devolved single payer models Celerity Dec 2019 #115

Why does that map show healthcare in France as being "free"? It isn't. Recursion Dec 2019 #117

Taking away someone's private healthcare plan will see Donald Trump OnDoutside Nov 2019 #66

Only if they fix the loopholes so people don't have to take JCMach1 Nov 2019 #67

NFIB types didn't like the ACA mandate, and a lot of people were hacked off they actually had to pay Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2019 #68

And loyalsister Nov 2019 #79

..and and Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2019 #105

No kidding loyalsister Nov 2019 #107

This is for those who seem NOT to understand about how the ACA passed, and and the FACT that we still_one Nov 2019 #69

kicking because this is Skidmore Nov 2019 #80

Thank you for the Big Reality Check, still_one! The OP Needs to READ Cha Nov 2019 #92

and the votes for M4A won't be there in 2020 either. Also the OPs assertion that it was because of still_one Nov 2019 #93

Judging by your logic wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #110

No that isn't what I am saying, but perhaps if those self-identified progressives who refused to still_one Nov 2019 #111

I prefer to not waste electrons on unworkable fantasies PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #70

Like the public option? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #73

We MUST FIGHt for M4A! EmInColorado Nov 2019 #71

absolutely... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #72

It caused us to lose the house in large part because of the sob sob...we didn't get a public option Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #83

Yep. nt Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #86

So we should risk losing seats, with someone like trump and his gop henchmen Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #85

Public Approval Of Obamacare Hits Record High Ahead Of 2018 Midterms Gothmog Nov 2019 #87

1 Major reason..ACA didn't threaten to boot 150m off their current plans AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2019 #99

As no votes have been cast yet, none have been lost Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #101

Actually, the 2018 midterms were won on preserving and restoring the ACA. ehrnst Nov 2019 #103

I was talking about 2010 wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #109

2018 election victories because of the ACA are more recent than 2010. ehrnst Nov 2019 #113

It took a supermajority boomer_wv Nov 2019 #112

the same can be said for the Public Option Celerity Dec 2019 #116