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wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts) Sat Nov 16, 2019, 10:30 PM Nov 2019

So M4A is a vote loser. What about Obamacare? [View all]

Didn't that factor into the Dems losing the House in 2010, then the Senate in 2012?

But we passed that legislation because it was the right thing to do. Now let's keep doing the right thing until everyone living in this country has (not "has access to" ) high quality healthcare that is NOT overpriced.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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So M4A is a vote loser. What about Obamacare? [View all] wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 OP

The Affordable Care Act (aka the right wing "Obamacare") is nothing like "Medicare for All". George II Nov 2019 #1

The affordable care act was a winning issue in the 2018 midterms Gothmog Nov 2019 #88

We can not afford to lose to Trump over a healthcare plan that most likely will never become emmaverybo Nov 2019 #2

It's as simple as that. Thanks! George II Nov 2019 #3

Yes... it is as simple as that! Not sure why some are so unwilling to admit this Thekaspervote Nov 2019 #7

Like I said before wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #53

Thank you. dflprincess Nov 2019 #64

If you have access to paying for healthcare, how is that different treestar Nov 2019 #95

Insurance does not equal care dflprincess Nov 2019 #98

It is a way to pay for it treestar Nov 2019 #106

that is a flat out lie dsc Nov 2019 #96

And millions got access to insurance policies with deductibles that are so high they still can't dflprincess Nov 2019 #97

that's only the case in state with no medicaid expansion AlexSFCA Nov 2019 #102

That's not why at all, and most people here know it. George II Nov 2019 #74

That is completely untrue...we lost because some on the left refused to vote for Hillary and Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #84

That is untrue... the fact is we can't get elected running on this...and we won't pass it even we Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #104

Democrats didn't get elected on the ACA at first wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #108

We can't afford to lose to him by not standing with our values, either. Gore1FL Nov 2019 #5

Having a Public Option added to the ACA reflects this liberal Democrat's values perfectly The Valley Below Nov 2019 #13

We lost to Trump after promising to maintain the status quo wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #10

The election was stolen. Had nothing to do with so-called status quo. Hilary Clinton was more emmaverybo Nov 2019 #29

If the popular vote meant anything, Hillary would be in office wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #34

I don't know what status quo you refer to. Hilary Clinton offered many sound and progressive emmaverybo Nov 2019 #44

What status quo? sheshe2 Dec 2019 #114

I've asked dozens of times of those who decry the "status quo" - what IS the "status quo"? No reply. George II Nov 2019 #75

No surprises there. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #81

Trump won because of an undemocratic election system Hav Nov 2019 #32

Yep, that should tell you that the status quo is broken wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #35

Other candidates want to bring down drug costs. Doing that is not dependent upon M4All. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #57

I don't understand why every "Democrat" doesn't think like this. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #91

Recent election results show that the ACA is a winner. Blue_true Nov 2019 #4

If we pass policy based on what is an election winner wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #11

To pass any policy at all, we have to win. Blue_true Nov 2019 #23

2018 issues included Med4All, gun control, income inequality blm Nov 2019 #77

MFA was not part of the 2018/2019 democratic candidates' message in the states. Blue_true Nov 2019 #78

The midterm elections were, to an important extent, a referendum on the Affordable Care Act Gothmog Nov 2019 #89

WE have to push for MFA immediately ritapria Nov 2019 #6

Pssst....2020 isn't the "midterms"! George II Nov 2019 #8

That's all I need to know. NurseJackie Nov 2019 #82

IKR? ehrnst Nov 2019 #100

ACA is a WINNER NOW.. Haven't you heard?! Cha Nov 2019 #9

ACA was a loser then, remember? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #12

We're talking about NOW. Cha Nov 2019 #14

We're talking about kicking a can down the road wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #16

If Americans took your advice and voted against the "status quo", Obama wouldn't have been reelected George II Nov 2019 #76

Not true, since most of us supported the ACA. And still do BTW. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #15

Remember the public option? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #17

Moderates? Who's that? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #20

The ACA was and is still an imperfect policy wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #24

We all know what got us Trump. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #28

I did not hear any proposals from M4All supporters to strengthen Obamacare, protect and expand emmaverybo Nov 2019 #30

Didn't Warren already address that? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #36

I know right.. big Difference. Cha Nov 2019 #18

You only support it now because it's now popular wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #21

Don't tell me what I do.. you have no idea what you're talking about. Cha Nov 2019 #25

You calculate based on whatever polls better wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #37

No it is NOT "well established".. you really don't know what Cha Nov 2019 #39

This is you literally two days ago wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #45

It was a LOSER.. so WHAT? It's still a LOSER.. I want to WIN.. I want Biden's plan shoring up Cha Nov 2019 #54

So you are on record saying Obamacare was a loser? wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #58

You need to figure out your own problems Cha Nov 2019 #60

What's stopping you from opposing M4A now wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #62

LOL. Why are you gaslighting people who know what they believe in far better than you do? The Valley Below Nov 2019 #26

Thank You! Good question.. Why the hell why? Cha Nov 2019 #40

"When did you stop beating your wife?" wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #51

You're just being ridiculous with that question. Cha Nov 2019 #56

A hostile, invidious question wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #59

It was dead on. Cha Nov 2019 #61

So everytime people throw out "gaslighting" wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #63

Damn the polls is our election slogan for 2020? How reckless. emmaverybo Nov 2019 #31

You move the polls, not follow them. wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #38

K n R JoeOtterbein Nov 2019 #19

It had to be said wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #22

It really didn't. You are just insulting liberal Democrats loyalists. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #27

Nope, just pushing back against defeatist rhetoric against M4A wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #42

Not "defeatist" in any measure. I strongly support a different path forward. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #43

You've just embraced a scare tactic wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #49

More gaslighting? Get off it! The Valley Below Nov 2019 #52

You're the one making excuses wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #55

No excuses. What is your problem. Like the vast majority I prefer a Public Option. The Valley Below Nov 2019 #65

A form of the ACA had already been successfully established in Massachusetts. betsuni Nov 2019 #33

Look at all the other countries with single payer wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #41

I said in Vermont it didn't work. betsuni Nov 2019 #46

And I told you why it didn't work in Vermont wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #47

But didn't Romneycare have to also deal with $400 insulin and high prices? betsuni Nov 2019 #48

Once again, apples to oranges wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #50

There are almost none. Really just Canada Recursion Nov 2019 #94

there are other nations that have single payer, and also ones with devolved single payer models Celerity Dec 2019 #115

Why does that map show healthcare in France as being "free"? It isn't. Recursion Dec 2019 #117

Taking away someone's private healthcare plan will see Donald Trump OnDoutside Nov 2019 #66

Only if they fix the loopholes so people don't have to take JCMach1 Nov 2019 #67

NFIB types didn't like the ACA mandate, and a lot of people were hacked off they actually had to pay Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2019 #68

And loyalsister Nov 2019 #79

..and and Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2019 #105

No kidding loyalsister Nov 2019 #107

This is for those who seem NOT to understand about how the ACA passed, and and the FACT that we still_one Nov 2019 #69

kicking because this is Skidmore Nov 2019 #80

Thank you for the Big Reality Check, still_one! The OP Needs to READ Cha Nov 2019 #92

and the votes for M4A won't be there in 2020 either. Also the OPs assertion that it was because of still_one Nov 2019 #93

Judging by your logic wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #110

No that isn't what I am saying, but perhaps if those self-identified progressives who refused to still_one Nov 2019 #111

I prefer to not waste electrons on unworkable fantasies PhoenixDem Nov 2019 #70

Like the public option? BeyondGeography Nov 2019 #73

We MUST FIGHt for M4A! EmInColorado Nov 2019 #71

absolutely... myohmy2 Nov 2019 #72

It caused us to lose the house in large part because of the sob sob...we didn't get a public option Demsrule86 Nov 2019 #83

Yep. nt Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #86

So we should risk losing seats, with someone like trump and his gop henchmen Kahuna7 Nov 2019 #85

Public Approval Of Obamacare Hits Record High Ahead Of 2018 Midterms Gothmog Nov 2019 #87

1 Major reason..ACA didn't threaten to boot 150m off their current plans AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2019 #99

As no votes have been cast yet, none have been lost Fiendish Thingy Nov 2019 #101

Actually, the 2018 midterms were won on preserving and restoring the ACA. ehrnst Nov 2019 #103

I was talking about 2010 wellst0nev0ter Nov 2019 #109

2018 election victories because of the ACA are more recent than 2010. ehrnst Nov 2019 #113

It took a supermajority boomer_wv Nov 2019 #112

the same can be said for the Public Option Celerity Dec 2019 #116